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Debate immigration issue, not each side's integrity (Mike Huckabee Alert)
The San Diego Union-Tribune ^ | 2/18/05 | Joseph Perkins

Posted on 02/18/2005 3:08:33 PM PST by South40

I don't consider myself a "racist" or a "bigot." But Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee apparently does.

Because I happen to see the merit of a measure, proposed by two Arkansas state lawmakers, that would require anyone registering to vote in the Razorback State to prove citizenship and anyone applying for state services to prove legal residency.

To Huckabee's mind, anyone who supports such a law has succumbed to "race-baiting and demagoguery." That would include yours truly. It also would include a majority of my fellow California residents.

Indeed, in 1994, nearly 60 percent of voters in the Golden State approved a ballot measure that denied state benefits to illegal aliens. Proposition 187 even mustered a third of the state's Latino vote.

Meanwhile, Arizona voters approved a similar measure by a comparable margin of victory last November. And Proposition 200 won the support of roughly 40 percent of the Grand Canyon State's Mexican-American voters.

The passage of Propositions 187 and 200 doesn't mean that 60 percent of California and Arizona residents are racists or bigots or xenophobes, as critics of the measures disparage. It means that they believe in the rule of law.

They believe that taxpayer-funded benefits should be reserved for American citizens and for legal residents, and not for those who steal into the country, who thumb their noses at this nation's immigration laws.

The irony is that those, like Huckabee, who argue against denying benefits to illegals, are the same folks who argue that illegals come here simply to work, to earn a living here in the Land of Opportunity.

Well, if that is so, why do they need government benefits?

Indeed, it's bad enough that government officials, like Huckabee, knowingly and willingly countenance illegal immigration. It's worse that they also want to reward those who have stolen into the country.

They want to give them driver's licenses. They want to give them taxpayer-subsidized college tuition. Heck, in San Francisco, they want to give illegals the right to vote.

Illegal immigrant apologists argue that they are law-abiding folk but for violating this nation's borders, but for breaking this nation's immigration laws.

But that's not entirely the case, as Heather McDonald documented a year ago in an article published in City Journal.

In Los Angeles, she found, 95 percent of all outstanding murder warrants involved suspected illegal aliens. And up to two-thirds of all felony warrants were for undocumented illegals.

But illegals do the jobs "Americans won't do," claim their defenders, including Gov. Huckabee and President Bush, both of whom happen to be Republicans.

That's just a myth, as I've noted in previous writings.

The fact is, before the two great waves of illegal immigration in the 1980s and 1990s, there were more than enough Americans performing the low-skilled and semi-skilled work needed by farms and orchards, factories and construction sites, restaurants and hotels, car washes and dry cleaners.

And there still are many lower-skilled Americans available to work for such employers, including the 10 million native-born Americans lacking high school diplomas.

And if that's still not enough low-skilled labor to meet the needs of the nation's industries, they can recruit workers from the legal immigrant population. That includes the more than 5 million legal Mexican immigrants without high school diplomas.

Finally, defenders of illegal immigration say that illegals contribute more in taxes than they receive in benefits.

That's yet another myth.

A study by the Center for Immigration Studies, a public policy organization based in Washington, D.C., concluded that, when all taxes are paid and all costs are considered, illegal households cost the federal government a net $10 billion in 2002.

And when the federal outlay is combined with that of California, Arizona, Arkansas and other states, the total net cost of illegal immigration is more than $20 billion a year.

What really irritates in the debate over illegal immigration is the dishonesty of those who oppose measures like California's Proposition 187, Arizona's Proposition 200 and Arkansas' Taxpayer and Citizen Protection Act.

They suggest that those who support such measures are anti-immigrant; that they simply do not like people who are brown-skinned (or black or yellow).

Well, I, for one, am not anti-immigrant. I say come one, come all. Just come legally.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; illegals; immigration; josephperkins
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1 posted on 02/18/2005 3:08:34 PM PST by South40
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To: South40

BTTT to watch the thread.


2 posted on 02/18/2005 3:12:10 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (aitch tee tee pea colon 2 slashes dubya dubya dubya dot proud patriots dot org)
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To: Brad's Gramma

And some FREEPERS are touting Huckabee as a viable candidate for POTUS in '08. He has decided, in his lame-duck wisdom, to ignore the will of the people, and will proceed to lead us down the politically-correct path for as long as his term lasts.

He has lost his mind, recently implying himself a better Christian than the sponsor of the state senate legislation; Senator Jim Holt.


3 posted on 02/18/2005 3:19:27 PM PST by thelastvirgil (Idiot-proof ANYTHING, and someone will build a better idiot.)
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To: thelastvirgil
recently implying himself a better Christian

Red flag...!!!

4 posted on 02/18/2005 3:21:10 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (aitch tee tee pea colon 2 slashes dubya dubya dubya dot proud patriots dot org)
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To: South40

Huckabee is dead wrong.


5 posted on 02/18/2005 3:23:27 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: HiJinx

Ping-a-ling to ya.


6 posted on 02/18/2005 3:29:51 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (aitch tee tee pea colon 2 slashes dubya dubya dubya dot proud patriots dot org)
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To: South40
They suggest that those who support such measures are anti-immigrant; that they simply do not like people who are brown-skinned (or black or yellow).

LOL......like those 'racist' HISPANICS in AZ ???.......47% voted FOR prop 200.

7 posted on 02/18/2005 3:35:37 PM PST by txdoda ("Navy Brat")
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To: South40

Joseph Perkins is but the latest person to find out that he's a racist, by some people's opinion. Don't lose too much sleep over it Joe, I've seen a number of their opinions, and let's just say they're a little fuzzy.


8 posted on 02/18/2005 3:43:45 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: South40

I don't know Arkansas politics but I do know that Huck brought into his inner circle two of Tysons people when 1st elected. I knew then that this guy was not for real no matter how the rest spun it.


9 posted on 02/18/2005 3:52:18 PM PST by Digger
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To: South40
I met Huckabee back at the first Freeper ball...or was it the managers dinner, don't remember, when he and his band first performed.

I used to like the guy, plus the fact that he played in a rock band as governor was pretty cool and an added bonus.

Now, unfortunately, I find these recent statements of Huckabee confusing, and disturbing. They do fit in with some elements of religious policy, such as the position of the Catholic bishops of Mexico City who seem to favor a defacto dissolution of our borders.

Nevertheless, I sure hope that Republican leaders are not heading down a road to a sort of Wilsonian internationalist Christian compassion doctrine...applied to federal government policies...that is going to take us back to the days of the Great Society....this time pubbie style.
10 posted on 02/18/2005 3:54:42 PM PST by Dat Mon (will work for clever tagline)
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To: South40

More and more blacks are starting to oppose open borders immigration, which leaves the left in a quandry. How can they call blacks racist? I know, call blacks who disagree with them race traitors for not hating da white man.


11 posted on 02/18/2005 4:05:30 PM PST by followerofchrist
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To: Brad's Gramma

Hi BG...long time no see. :-)


12 posted on 02/18/2005 4:13:25 PM PST by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: thelastvirgil
And some FREEPERS are touting Huckabee as a viable candidate for POTUS in '08.

Yeah, I saw that thread and I thought it was a joke.

If Huckabee's the best we have to offer we're in some serious trouble come '08.

13 posted on 02/18/2005 4:14:53 PM PST by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: txdoda
LOL......like those 'racist' HISPANICS in AZ ???.......47% voted FOR prop 200.

They blow that off as those Hispanics having gotten their piece of the American dream and not wanting or even helping other, less fortunate Hispanics to get theirs.

My skin's pretty dark; I suppose I'm a racist too?

14 posted on 02/18/2005 4:17:07 PM PST by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: Jim Robinson
FYI.

Just curious what you think of this.

15 posted on 02/18/2005 4:17:51 PM PST by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: South40

Hi backatcha!


16 posted on 02/18/2005 4:19:09 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (aitch tee tee pea colon 2 slashes dubya dubya dubya dot proud patriots dot org)
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To: South40
"when all taxes are paid and all costs are considered, illegal households cost the federal government a net $10 billion in 2002. "

Simpleton nonsense. Very few working class families pay their proportionate share of taxes. (90% of taxes are paid by the wealthy and corporations. Hispanics should not be held to a different standard than any other group.

Nor does the CIS study take into account the taxes paid by the companies that employ the immigrant laborers that would otherwise have to relocate to find enough workers or close down. (Why do you think no city wants immigration laws enforced in their city?)

Neither does the CIS study take into account the contribution to GNP and balance of trade that laborers working inside the U.S. as opposed to outside the U.S.

And then finally there is the multiplier effect of both the contributions of immigrants and the expenditures on their behalf.
For Example:
The federal government mandates only that emergency rooms stabilize people without regard to ability to pay. It is state and local laws and policies that mandate further medical expenditures. Why do state and local government want to spend more? Because the money (from taxpayers) goes directly to local doctors, nurses, hospitals, pharmacies, ambulance companies, medical suppliers, etc... The doctors et al use the money to buy new sports cars, yachts, homes, big screen TV, etc....

The same applies to education expenditures. Who gets the money? Local teachers, principals, staff, cafeteria employees, counselors, construction companies, material suppliers, band instrument suppliers, parking lot pavers, glass window companies, insurance agencies, food suppliers, vending companies etc...

It isn't the immigrants lobbying your state and local governments to spend more money on them, it's your next door neighbors who end up with the money in their pockets.

17 posted on 02/18/2005 4:43:56 PM PST by bayourod ("Give us a chance and we'll give you a choice." RNC)
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To: South40

Outstanding post.


18 posted on 02/18/2005 4:45:50 PM PST by lodwick (Integrity has no need of rules. Albert Camus)
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To: South40
"And if that's still not enough low-skilled labor to meet the needs of the nation's industries, they can recruit workers from the legal immigrant population. "

The legal immigrants already have jobs. Is this author genuine or an apprentice try-out?

19 posted on 02/18/2005 4:46:41 PM PST by bayourod ("Give us a chance and we'll give you a choice." RNC)
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To: followerofchrist
"How can they call blacks racist? "

Racism knows no color.

20 posted on 02/18/2005 4:49:31 PM PST by bayourod ("Give us a chance and we'll give you a choice." RNC)
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