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Karl Rove Hates the New York Times
NewsMax ^ | 2/17/05 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 02/17/2005 5:50:15 PM PST by wagglebee

White House deputy chief of staff Karl Rove doesn't like the liberal New York Times, and he's certainly justified.

Moreover, when Rove met up with two Times editors during the heated 2004 campaign, he was not the least bit reluctant to tell the Times what he thought of its blatantly obvious bias in favor of John Kerry and his party.

Rove has lots of good reasons to despise the Times.

Among other things, the Gray Lady had run a shamefully slanted and misleading piece by White House reporter Elisabeth Bumiller, "A Democratic Rallying Cry: Vote Bush out of Rove's Office," in January 2004 that peddled the Democratic campaign criticism of Rove: "Elusive to reporters, infamous for browbeating Republican operatives (and members of Congress) who displease him, Mr. Rove is the man who told Republicans they should use the war on terrorism for partisan advantage."

Interesting but untrue, as timeswatch.org revealed: "This is what Rove actually said to the Republican National Committee in January 2002: ‘We can go to the country on this issue, because they trust the Republican Party to do a better job of protecting and strengthening America's military might and thereby protecting America.'"

In an interview with The New Yorker's Nicholas Lemann that appears in the current issue, Rove explained other reasons why he looks askance at the Times.

Aside from the Times' constant drumbeat of snide and often erroneous reports about the Bush administration, Rove was especially upset about the paper's Sept. 26 story, which, he told Lemann, was No. 1 among the Times' numerous misdeeds.

The Times story trumpeted Democrats' organizational efforts, especially in Florida and Ohio, and suggested the Democrats had been vastly superior to the GOP in registering new voters.

In fact, Rove told Lemann, the GOP had probably outclassed the Democrats in all the so-called swing states except for Pennsylvania and perhaps New Mexico.

Rove complained that the Times story had relied on Democrats and groups allied with them for information for its story while seeking only pro-forma responses from the Republicans. The result was a story heavily weighted in the Democrats' favor while ignoring the facts, which disproved the Times' conclusions.

Moreover, Rove said, the Times reporter had cleverly estimated new voter registration by comparing figures for the first seven months of 2000 with figures for the same period in 2004. This, he said, slanted the story in favor of the Democrats because they hadn't begun their organization until that year, while the GOP had been busy organizing in the trenches since 2001.

A comparison of just the years 2000 and 2004 overlooked the progress that the Republicans had made during 2002 when they re-elected Jeb Bush as governor in something of a landslide despite Democratic National Chairman Terry McAuliffe's assurances that the Democrats had all but sewed up the election there. Rove added that the same intense GOP organizational efforts took place in 2003.

But that was not all. The Times employed the underhanded technique of surveying new registrants in the most heavily Democratic and Republican ZIP Codes in Florida and Ohio - an unnecessary effort in Florida, where voters register by party, and misleading in Ohio, where the Republicans were finding most of their new voters in precincts (not ZIP Codes) that had not voted heavily Republican in the past.

Rove told Lemann that he believed the Times had allowed itself to be fed its data by Democratic organizations.

Lemann makes the point that from the president on down, the Bush campaign, not surprisingly, all but ignored the self-proclaimed newspaper of record. He reports that Vice President Dick Cheney's staff, for example, "found that it had no room for the Times reporter even to travel in the press section of its plane."

Rove had taken his complaints about the Times' glaringly obvious bias directly to Bill Keller, the Times' new executive editor, who was appointed in the wake of the Jayson Blair scandal, and Philip Taubman, the Times' Washington bureau chief.

Rove and White House communications guru Dan Bartlett met with the Timesmen on Oct. 22 in Florida. Rove reacted to Keller's question about what Rove thought about the Times' campaign coverage. Not much, Keller quickly found out.

Keller later told Lemann that Rove, whom he described as "ferocious," had "pounded on us for two cocktails' worth of conversation." Rove's points? "It was Bush's accomplishments we had ignored, flaws in the Kerry record that we had put inside the paper, and a number of pieces we had done looking hard at the Bush record. In their view that all amounted to arming the Kerry campaign."

Lemann notes that since the election the mainstream media are grudgingly admitting that they failed to appreciate the full dimensions of Rove's organizational efforts and misunderstood the GOP's religious base. He adds that the media resent the idea that they took sides in the election even though, as Li'l Abner would have said, "as any fool can plainly see," they did.

With the election behind him, Rove can now afford to be magnanimous, even to the Times' Bush-hating columnist Maureen Dowd, who described "conservatives and evangelicals who claim to have put their prodigal son back in office" as "a vengeful mob - revved up by rectitude - running around with torches and hatchets after heathens and pagans and infidels."

Recently he is reported to have dropped his torches and hatchets and given Dowd, who had complained to him that her Republican sister liked him better than she liked Maureen, a bouquet of flowers, including roses and carnations. He attached a card that read "Just remember, your family does love you and not everyone hates you."

Lemann concludes with the observation that "journalists in the mainstream media are starting to worry 'what if people don't believe in us, don't want us anymore?'"

Well, those people can always turn to NewsMax.com.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bush; founddowdunderarock; karlrove; leftistmedia; mediabias; newyorktimes; nyt; oldgraywhore; partisanmedia; rats; wonderwhy
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He reports that Vice President Dick Cheney's staff, for example, "found that it had no room for the Times reporter even to travel in the press section of its plane."

That is just to funny!

1 posted on 02/17/2005 5:50:20 PM PST by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee

Doesn't everybody hate the NYSlime?


2 posted on 02/17/2005 5:51:04 PM PST by Drango (FReepmal me to get on/off the *NPR/PBS* ping list)
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To: wagglebee

I also hate the New York Times.


3 posted on 02/17/2005 5:51:54 PM PST by sport
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To: wagglebee
Rove has lots of good reasons to despise the Times.....

Don't we all!!!!
4 posted on 02/17/2005 5:51:56 PM PST by TheForceOfOne (Social Security – I thought pyramid schemes were illegal!)
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To: wagglebee

Sign me up for the "I hate the NYT Club."


5 posted on 02/17/2005 5:54:08 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: wagglebee

I always make the Times sit by the crapper when I fly...


6 posted on 02/17/2005 5:55:11 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
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To: wagglebee
I have despised the New York Times for her forty years of treason.

I call her the Old Gray Whore.

I hope I live long enough to see her go out of business and the wrecking ball take down the building.
7 posted on 02/17/2005 5:56:31 PM PST by cgbg (How evil is Hillary? Let me count the ways...)
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"believed the Times had allowed itself to be fed its data by Democratic organizations"

When CNN gets a live feed from what appears to be the coordinator of the DNC convention at its end, now infamously trying to cue the balloons, and the Times cries havoc with all things that are wrong in America--even if these are later proved lies, who are we idiots in pajamas to think that the media and the Democratic Party--or farther left--are one in the same? If the Times' economist gets his data from Moveon and other organizations of its ilk, who are we country bumpkins to wonder if they shouldn't change their tone--if not their entire language to, say, French, or, even, Arabic? Chinese anyone?


8 posted on 02/17/2005 5:57:20 PM PST by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch.)
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To: wagglebee

last year the nyt gave prominence to the abu graib "torture" for 30-40 days on the front page.

never mind that saddam hussein killed and tortured upwards to a million people in his career.

the prominence of this story and ted kennedy's shrill remarks undermined the effectiveness of our military. they were copied by al jazzera the next day, leading many in the world to believe that the establishment in america was on the terrorists' side.


9 posted on 02/17/2005 5:58:57 PM PST by ken21
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"Lemann concludes with the observation that "journalists in the mainstream media are starting to worry 'what if people don't believe in us, don't want us anymore?'"
......ya think?


10 posted on 02/17/2005 5:59:15 PM PST by austinaero
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To: wagglebee

Well if Rove hates the NYT, I'm in really good company.


11 posted on 02/17/2005 5:59:32 PM PST by Bahbah
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To: sport

Never trust anyone who doesn't hate the NYT.


12 posted on 02/17/2005 6:01:09 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: cgbg
I call her the Lavender Drag Queen.

The NYT is a homosexual rag.
13 posted on 02/17/2005 6:02:57 PM PST by Bars4Bill
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To: little jeremiah

BTTT


14 posted on 02/17/2005 6:09:56 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
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To: wagglebee

The NYT, CNN, CBS, ABC and all of their ilk can act as arrogant and uppitiy as they like. The facts speak for themselves. They may be the "mainstream media" but they are NOT trusted by "mainstream America" and -- whether they let on or not -- their ratings and their bottom line show it. The worm has turned.


15 posted on 02/17/2005 6:11:54 PM PST by Another Thought
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To: wagglebee
Rove is not by himself if i open a news page and it has NY times as the source i close the page and move on.I personally know of many out and out lies the NY Times has printed as truth.
16 posted on 02/17/2005 6:12:23 PM PST by solo gringo (Liberal democrats are parasites)
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To: wagglebee

Krugman, Dowd, Rich ... does anyone write for this paper that isn't a certifiable Moonbat?!


17 posted on 02/17/2005 6:16:05 PM PST by Mr. Buzzcut (metal god ... visit The Ponderosa .... www.vandelay.com)
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To: wagglebee
When you're numero uno, you learn that taking potshots from the little people on the sidelines just naturally comes with the territory.

It's still considered the gold standard of journalism, however imperfect, without any implication that they walk on water. 'Nuff said!

18 posted on 02/17/2005 6:16:16 PM PST by infocats
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To: infocats

Its because the NYT has Adam Clymer on staff. We hear from good sources he's a world class A$$hole....


19 posted on 02/17/2005 6:17:54 PM PST by Swanks
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To: infocats

I suppose you're a supporter of Dan Ratherbiased too!


20 posted on 02/17/2005 6:23:53 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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