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IE 7: so much for Firefox
CNET.com ^ | February 15, 2005 | Molly Wood

Posted on 02/16/2005 10:38:24 AM PST by decimon

The party's over.

In the past year, the little browser that could, Firefox, became the people's hero, an underdog warrior that took a huge swipe at its enemy, Internet Explorer. IE dipped below 90 percent market share for the first time in years, while Firefox lured users like the Pied Piper, blowing past its own fundraising goals and reigniting the browser wars.

Meanwhile, the bad news continued to mount for Microsoft. An IE exploit put even Windows XP SP2 users at risk from phishing schemes, even as Microsoft touted SP2 as the most secure version of Windows yet. Worse, major security companies and the U.S. Computer Emergency Readiness Team began to recommend that computer users dump IE for something more secure (read: Firefox).

By early this year, Netscape was emboldened to reenter the fray, announcing in January that it would release a new version of the Netscape browser, designed specifically to resist phishing schemes--something even Firefox lacks. Then, Opera said it would offer free licenses to universities, in order to make sure it would still be relevant in the new world browser order. And through it all, what was the response from Microsoft? Silence.

TalkBack Are you afraid of a standalone Internet Explorer, or will you keep betting on the Firefox pony?

For a moment there, it looked like the tyrant IE could actually be overthrown. Those were heady days, weren't they? Well, they're over now. Papa Bill just dropped the hammer. Bill Gates announced this week, at the RSA Security Conference in San Francisco (of all places), that Microsoft will ship Internet Explorer 7, without waiting for the next version of Windows. Gates says the standalone browser is designed to address the perception that IE itself is a massive security risk. What he didn't say, but you know he was thinking it, is that IE 7 will easily put a stop to this upstart browser rebellion.

Don't believe me? You should. Firefox is great, I use it. But it's a chore sometimes, what with most sites using that pesky nonstandard IE code. Not everything renders properly, and some sites just plain don't work--I have to load up IE to use them. Plus, let's be honest--Firefox has its flaws. Why is there no way to check for updates from within the browser, for one thing? Why does it take so doggone long to launch? Why, why must it crash every single time I open a PDF? I mean, every single time. Opera, fine, whatever, I'm not paying for a browser, and for some reason, although I've tried it several times, it's just never captured me. It's too clunky, and I was raised on IE. I don't want to learn something completely new. IE, on the other hand, is like the sweeping tide--it's just easier not to fight it.

If a standalone IE 7 is even 50 percent more secure than current versions, the Firefox rebellion is finished. If IE 7 has tabs, Firefox will be destroyed as surely as the Hungarian uprising of 1956 was crushed by Russia. I use the analogy deliberately, too--no one expected Microsoft to issue a standalone version of IE, but those months of silence (and, no doubt, frantic development) look awfully ominous now. This is a company that's absorbed Justice Department lawsuits, threats of daily fines from the European Union, and lawsuits from nearly every state in the union, and that has steadfastly refused to break up its republic of Windows-IE-Windows Media. But this Firefox thing must have it fearing the domino effect, big time.

It was bad when Microsoft seemed to ignore Firefox, treating it like a harmless upstart not worthy of comment or attack. But now that the sleeping giant has awakened, I think the buzzing gnat of the browser wars is about to be squashed flat. What do you think?


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: asshatauthor; browser; computersecurity; convictedmonopoly; drang; firefox; internetexploiter; kneepadder; microsoft; redmondshill; sturm
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To: ProudVet77
Embedded is a BS statement used during the Clintoon administration.

You are incorrect. Go to "My Computer" and type in a www address. You will connect. The file manager uses IE code. That means that IE is embedded.

41 posted on 02/16/2005 11:01:05 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: CORedneck
An additional item, it blocks pop-up ads and for banner ads, right click your mouse over the ad and tell it to block images especially from sites like doubleclick.net.

This is the best feature.

42 posted on 02/16/2005 11:01:28 AM PST by TheOtherOne
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
Yep, I've been using Netscape/Mozilla since Netscape 1...no matter what system I've had.

Which is cool. I used to prefer Netscape myself, but finally chose IE. But I still try other browsers.
43 posted on 02/16/2005 11:01:42 AM PST by ProudVet77 (rabid, right wing attack dog blogger)
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To: ProudVet77

I'm a tab junkie and I hate MS's approach to email. Mozilla just does it for me.


44 posted on 02/16/2005 11:03:01 AM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: decimon

Thanks. Informative.


45 posted on 02/16/2005 11:03:29 AM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: epluribus_2
Isn't that the same dream Sun was peddling a decade ago? The network IS the computer and diskless workstations? It went over like the Kerry Campaign. People like to use their 3GZ machines for their apps and I/O.

A decade ago there was no Internet.

Now everybody is on it, and 10% of them are on it on their cell phones.

The times they are a-changing. Bill is a good adopter of other people's technology and dictator, but he never was an innovator.

46 posted on 02/16/2005 11:06:10 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
That's cool. But the beauty is that you are free to choose, and get any browser for free :)
It's like seach engines. We all have choices. I like altavista, others like google, others like MSN etc. Just keep the feds out of it and it will always be free!
47 posted on 02/16/2005 11:06:39 AM PST by ProudVet77 (rabid, right wing attack dog blogger)
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To: dandelion

> Man alive, she's sure not a company shill. No way. Really.

And such a good writer, too :-)

--Bill, happy Firefox user


48 posted on 02/16/2005 11:07:08 AM PST by cloud8
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To: Socratic

Double dittos.

I said last fall I wouldn't fix anyone's PC for free anymore unless they use Firefox. They all started using it, and I haven't had to help them at all!

It's so simple, my mother installed and customized it just the way she likes it on her own. That was 6 months ago. Not a single instance of the usual spyware since.

FireFox Rocks. : )


49 posted on 02/16/2005 11:10:05 AM PST by Trinity_Tx (Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do)
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To: since1868
I for one have not jumped on the Firefox band wagon and I can not wait for IE 7.

Well you can thank those of us who did switch to Firefox and lit a fire under Bill Gates' lazy ass. Otherwise IE 7 would still be on the drawing board and we'd all be dealing with those stupid pop-ups and viruses for years to come.

I'll gladly switch back to IE if IE 7 is as good as this article states. Firefox is superior to IE 6 but it's far from perfect.

50 posted on 02/16/2005 11:10:31 AM PST by SamAdams76 (Earth is just a prison for intergalactic riff-raff)
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To: Terpfen
IE7 beta is due sometime this summer.

all RIGHT! Seventh time's the charm! High fives!

51 posted on 02/16/2005 11:10:49 AM PST by LTCJ
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To: decimon
In the last 2 weeks my Firefox has started to become vulnerable to some popups and lockups. I believe it may be related to my Ad-Watch monitor from Lavasoft. It was only a matter of time though. The Internet advertisers started to realize that some of us were missing out on their wonderful offerings and retooled for Mozilla.
52 posted on 02/16/2005 11:12:12 AM PST by BallyBill (I'm a God fearing man and with many I stand....)
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To: decimon
Why, why must it crash every single time I open a PDF? I mean, every single time.

I had this problem until I got rid of Acrobat Reader 6.X and reinstalled Version 5.0. Acrobat 6.X is a real POS.

55 posted on 02/16/2005 11:15:06 AM PST by CFC__VRWC
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To: decimon
It's too clunky, and I was raised on IE.

Meaning she's been using computers for -- what? 15, 20 minutes?

56 posted on 02/16/2005 11:15:38 AM PST by prion (Yes, as a matter of fact, I AM the spelling police)
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To: decimon
"Why, why must it crash every single time I open a PDF? I mean, every single time."

WHA?!
Honey, buy yourself a real computer or upgrade your RAM.

57 posted on 02/16/2005 11:19:09 AM PST by blues_guitarist (Black conservatives arise!)
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To: BibChr
"These applications which actually do a good job for us, without making us spend extra hours of work learning how to use them, are BAD!"

Oh, no, those aren't bad at all. They just aren't named Internet Explorer.
58 posted on 02/16/2005 11:20:43 AM PST by Terpfen (New Democrat Party motto: les enfant terribles)
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To: decimon

So, if anyone out there is tired of the problems that occur with IE6, don't change your browser. Don't change to Firefox, because the vaporware ...er ... new Explorer will be out any moment, and MS is gonna fix all that. Any minute now. Really soon. Really.

I mean it.


59 posted on 02/16/2005 11:21:28 AM PST by LexBaird ("Democracy can withstand anything but democrats" --Jubal Harshaw (RA Heinlein))
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To: decimon
considered what IE is based on:"Based on NCSA Mosaic. NCSA Mosaic(TM); was developed at the National Center for Supercomputing Applications at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign." I don't think old bill is going to make much improvement.
60 posted on 02/16/2005 11:21:36 AM PST by markman46
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