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Do smokers have any rights?
eco-logic Powerhouse.com ^ | February 15, 2005 | Alan Caruba

Posted on 02/15/2005 8:24:48 AM PST by SheLion

Do people who enjoy smoking have any rights? Increasingly, the answer is no. It is essential to keep in mind that smoking cigarettes, cigars, or pipes is an entirely personal choice. No one is required to smoke. Millions voluntarily stop smoking every year. People have been smoking, and enjoying tobacco products for a very long time, but now they have been demonized and ostracized.

Using the power of government, to tax, smokers are being ripped off at every level. Recently, New York City sent letters to 2,300 residents giving them thirty days to pay the taxes on the cartons of cigarettes they had purchased over the Internet. It's the law.

A single pack of cigarettes in New York City comes with a state tax of $1.50, a city tax of $1.50, and a federal tax of 39 cents. A pack of Marlboro cigarettes will cost you $7.00. A ten-pack carton will cost you more than $55.00. Purchased at an international airport's duty-free store, the same carton retails for just $16.00.

There are few, if any, people who do not know there is an element of risk involved in the decision to smoke. There is risk involved when any American gets into his car and goes anywhere. Driving kills over 40,000 Americans every year. It is the price we pay for the mobility, and other benefits cars and vehicles provide. There is, in fact, risk in every human activity, including the enjoyment of alcoholic beverages and even the simple act of eating.

The U.S. engaged in a hugely failed experiment, called Prohibition, to stop people from drinking alcoholic beverages at their favorite saloon. It took a Constitutional amendment to end it. For many years now, the same thinking that imposed Prohibition has been at work to achieve the same outcome with smoking.

It is un-American in the most profound sense of that term. In a nation founded on the individual right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, preventing people from the enjoyment of smoking runs contrary to the inherent right to enjoy this lifestyle option if you want.

Consider, however, some events in 2004. The first worldwide antismoking treaty - the Framework Convention on Tobacco Control (FCTC) - was ratified, and is now in effect. It is yet another example of the United Nation's intention to control every aspect of the lives of everyone on planet Earth. Action on Smoking and Health (ASH) is the lead organization in America, and it has promised to "now concentrate on enforcement efforts."

During 2004, six nations imposed a no-smoking ban. Among them were Ireland, New Zealand, Norway, and Sweden. These nations are notable for their liberal, i.e., socialist political agendas. Here in the U.S., so-called "nonsmoker's rights" became law in Idaho, Massachusetts, and Rhode Island. At the local level, thirty-two jurisdictions passed comprehensive workplace smoking laws in 2004, along with "less comprehensive smokefree workplace laws."

There's more. Eleven States, including Virginia, where historically tobacco was the crop that encouraged its establishment and growth as an American colony, substantially increased their cigarette taxes. Consider the example of New York City, and multiply it by other cities and states, cashing in, while at the same time, banning smoking, indoors and out. That is obscene.

Now imagine a similar level of taxation on a candy bar, a cup of coffee, or soft drink. Think it can't happen? Think again.

ASH has big plans for 2005. It plans to "take advantage of a new ruling which now makes it possible for sensitive nonsmokers to sue states which do not provide them with reasonable protection from tobacco smoke pollution."

These suits will eventually cost taxpayers millions, draining vital financial resources from serious needs such as infrastructure improvements. ASH will push for more and more bans, on people who smoke outdoors on beaches, and elsewhere. In California, it is already against the law to light up on the beach.

Let's say you've just bought a condo, or moved to an apartment. ASH intends to encourage and assist lawsuits by apartment dwellers who object to neighbors smoking in their own apartments. In the name of protecting children, ASH will pursue laws that ban parents from smoking around their children, by getting courts to issue orders to ban smoking in custody cases, or by a foster parent, or in a car, while driving children anywhere.

All this is happening in the "land of the free, and the home of the brave," as well as around the world, where the U.N. antismoking treaty bans any advertising for tobacco products, requires health warning labels similar to those on products sold in the U.S., bans any secondhand smoke in workplaces, public transport, and indoor public places.

It empowers a vast law enforcement program against smuggling, and there will be smuggling, leading to cartels that rival illegal drugs. There's more, but the ultimate objective is to eliminate smoking anywhere on the face of the Earth.

This is pure fascism - using the power of the state to deny this simple pleasure from being enjoyed anywhere. And, when the national and global antismoking campaign is successful, these same people will turn their attention to banning the consumption of meat, fish, cookies, candy, potato chips, soft drinks, or anything else they decide you should not enjoy.

Do smokers have any rights? Apparently not.


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To: SheLion

"If the government bans it, then it will become a crime."

And I will be a criminal.


81 posted on 02/15/2005 10:09:00 AM PST by CSM ("I just started shooting," said Gloria Doster, 56. "I was trying to blow his brains out ....")
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To: SheLion
I finally listened to my fellow FReepers

And now you've passed that info on to others. Thanks!

82 posted on 02/15/2005 10:09:20 AM PST by usgator
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To: Raycpa
Now imagine a similar level of taxation on a candy bar, a cup of coffee, or soft drink. Think it can't happen?

"No, because these are not addictive. Only addicts can be controlled enough to be willing to pay confiscatory taxes in order to "enjoy" (read avoid withdrawal symptoms) a cigarette."

Not addictive? You are talking about chocolate and coffee here, they are both addictive. Chocolate to a lesser degree, but lots of people would pay a large sum of money to get their chocolate fix. Coffee is addictive and if you try to stop drinking it you will get headaches for weeks afterwards. Also, coffee is dependency forming. They could get away with heavy taxes on both these items to a large extent but not as heavy as the tax on cigs.

83 posted on 02/15/2005 10:16:08 AM PST by calex59
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To: usgator
The way I get treated by some people you would think it rates slightly above pedophilia on the crime list

"Tobacco is the most violence causing drug in the history of mankind. Most tobacco smokers are Pedofiles and Hillbillies. Their Satanic music, rock and country, result from tobacco usage. This tobacco causes women to seek sexual relations with underage girls."--Tobacco Czar, Tobacco Tax Act hearing, 2010
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84 posted on 02/15/2005 10:28:51 AM PST by mugs99 (Restore the Constitution)
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To: PeterFinn
"But their right to burn tobacco around other people may not exactly be covered by the Ninth Amendment."

And why would it not?

There is no credible, statistically signficant, replicable study that proves that "secondary" smoke is eminently dangerous to the health of other individuals.

Protection from an eminent danger to another citizen"s "rights" by another citizen is the one of a few justifications for government to exist.

A citizen's rights are not in eminent danger because they do not like the scent of burning tobacco. If it was, then you could make the same case for perfume, deodorant, and body odor.

Then there is the issue of "private property." How did government constitutionally gain jurisdiction over private property?

Some say the commerce clause is the federal government's constitutional justification. As to state government's constitutional jurisdictional justification, the police powers of the state to protect the safety and health of the citizens is the state's justificaton.

Well if that is the case, then your federal government has legislative jurisdiction within most citizen's homes, emanating form the commerce clause, because most citizens have a home loan with a financial institution that is involved in interstate commerce.

Wait to the fed's do not allow smoking in your home, the storage of gasoline for your lawn mower, the storage of paint, the state orders you to recycle your trash, reduction of electricity use because of air pollution, etc.

If the state does not have to prove "eminent" danger to health and safety of citizens when denying or disparaging rights on private property, in particular, then we obviously do not have any rights at all.

85 posted on 02/15/2005 10:40:24 AM PST by tahiti
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To: Mark17

But people get sick from other peoples smoke. Its a fact.


86 posted on 02/15/2005 10:43:50 AM PST by notigar
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To: SheLion
Where in the US Constitution is the right to smoke documented? It is sort of like, where is the right to absolute privacy documented? It is not so it is indeed up to interpretation of men (and women).

Someone said early last year that if gays do not have the right to marriage then there is inequality based on sexual preference. Well the answer is that gays have exactly the same rights as heterosexuals, that is, they can marry, but not those of the same sex.
87 posted on 02/15/2005 10:49:46 AM PST by Final Authority
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To: tahiti

My wife has asthma and used to be in the hospital at least once a month. Then she married me and moved out from her home with her four-pack a day father. Since then she has been fine. So I personally know that secondhand smoke does have an effect. Anyhow...

I don't go for all of the socialist crap aimed at tobacco because the hypocrites support legalizing marijuana. The truth is that they just don't like tobacco companies.


88 posted on 02/15/2005 10:52:23 AM PST by PeterFinn (Why is it that people who know the least know it the loudest?)
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To: notigar

"But people get sick from other peoples smoke. Its a fact."

Please provide the data that proves your "fact."


89 posted on 02/15/2005 10:55:29 AM PST by CSM ("I just started shooting," said Gloria Doster, 56. "I was trying to blow his brains out ....")
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To: SheLion

The only ones who have less rights than a smoker are the private restaurant and bar owners who are being forced to operate their businesses the way the government is telling them to.


90 posted on 02/15/2005 10:56:13 AM PST by Toespi
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To: Publius6961
Because it has been demonstrated (if not proven) that for everyone except a very few people with a real illness, that the "damage" from SHS is psychological, a neurosis.

We are not 100% sure so we protect the adult while letting the child take the risks. Is that logical ?

91 posted on 02/15/2005 10:57:09 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: calex59

Not addictive enough to pay 5 per day, every day to have a chocolate or caffeine fix.


92 posted on 02/15/2005 10:58:22 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: usgator
You mean it's not? The way I get treated by some people you would think it rates slightly above pedophilia on the crime list.

Cigarettes are the only legal commodity that we can buy, yet are treated like criminals for using it.

93 posted on 02/15/2005 11:02:50 AM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: usgator
And now you've passed that info on to others. Thanks!

I just can't believe how much money I have saved.

94 posted on 02/15/2005 11:03:37 AM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: calex59
Not addictive? You are talking about chocolate and coffee here, they are both addictive. Chocolate to a lesser degree, but lots of people would pay a large sum of money to get their chocolate fix. Coffee is addictive and if you try to stop drinking it you will get headaches for weeks afterwards. Also, coffee is dependency forming. They could get away with heavy taxes on both these items to a large extent but not as heavy as the tax on cigs.

You sure have that right!  I tried switching to decaf once.  I had a migraine for a week!

And I have friends who can't function in the mornings until they have their Pepsi.  I'm not kidding.

95 posted on 02/15/2005 11:05:46 AM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: Raycpa

"We are not 100% sure so we protect the adult while letting the child take the risks. Is that logical ?"

Are you stating agreement with those of us that stand against the "smoke free workplace" legislation? OR are you making a case for the government to monitor behavior in one's home, "for the children"?


96 posted on 02/15/2005 11:07:11 AM PST by CSM ("I just started shooting," said Gloria Doster, 56. "I was trying to blow his brains out ....")
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To: mugs99; Just another Joe; Great Dane; Madame Dufarge; Gabz; MeeknMing; steve50; KS Flyover; ...
"Tobacco is the most violence causing drug in the history of mankind. Most tobacco smokers are Pedofiles and Hillbillies. Their Satanic music, rock and country, result from tobacco usage. This tobacco causes women to seek sexual relations with underage girls."--Tobacco Czar, Tobacco Tax Act hearing, 2010

What?!

97 posted on 02/15/2005 11:07:51 AM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: CSM

http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/factsheets/secondhand_smoke_factsheet.htm


98 posted on 02/15/2005 11:08:00 AM PST by notigar
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To: mugs99

LOL. That is where it's headed.


99 posted on 02/15/2005 11:12:09 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Reading is fundamental. Comprehension is optional.)
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To: SheLion

2010?!

That's weird. Besides, this guy's off his rocker, imo.


100 posted on 02/15/2005 11:12:40 AM PST by exnavychick (There's too much youth; how about a fountain of smart?)
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