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The Great American Job Sellout
google groups ^ | feb 2005 | Paul Craig Roberts

Posted on 02/15/2005 6:44:11 AM PST by dennisw

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To: superiorslots
"You are picking out the stupid gov. regulations."

Stupid? Reducing pollution is stupid? Isn't that the goal? Or is the unintended consequences stupid?

No, what is stupid is sending money to Washington and expecting something intelligent to happen.

My gawd man Washington is filled with government employees. You could move a small family of Llamas into the place and raise the aggregate I.Q. level by two points.

How can anything good come from a place with such inhabitants?

361 posted on 02/15/2005 1:11:09 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: Havoc

Wrongo Mr. Keyboard cowboy.


362 posted on 02/15/2005 1:11:21 PM PST by Protagoras (Un-apprehended criminals have no credibility when advocating for the WOD)
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To: Mad Dawgg
I am willing to live with a lot more anarchy and a lot less nanny state.

When you're overzealousness leads to treason by putting a weakened nation at risk, there I have to draw the line. The government is in a good many things - but often times because businesses won't do the right thing. Slavery is a massive example of this. And it was protested as loudly. Now that business has found it's equivelent in .37 an hour slaves in china, the fight has sprouted anew with all the same arguments and deceptions. There is nothing new under the sun and addicts will not be constrained.

363 posted on 02/15/2005 1:12:27 PM PST by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade. Hang the traitors high)
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To: jpsb
"Where do you live?"

Ohio, but we are not the only state that does so.

364 posted on 02/15/2005 1:13:21 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: Protagoras

No need, I am not an Ann Rand economist, planet earth has lots of experience with unrestrained capitalism, it does not work. Unrestained capitalism leads to a society of the few very rich and the many very poor. Some means of redistrubution of wealth in a captalistic system is neccessary to have a wealthy, moral, educated and lawful nation.


365 posted on 02/15/2005 1:14:18 PM PST by jpsb
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To: neutrino
"...the US falls to third world status where the only jobs are in domestic services."

"Well said and true."

You actually believe America is falling to "third-world status"?! Shirley, you jest...MUD

366 posted on 02/15/2005 1:16:50 PM PST by Mudboy Slim (Decrease the Federal Expenditures as a percentage of GDP from its present 20% to 12% by 2013!!)
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To: Havoc
One should have clear terms when presenting an argument.

Please define Slave.

I doubt you can do so properly.

367 posted on 02/15/2005 1:17:02 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: jpsb
"Unrestained capitalism leads to a society of the few very rich and the many very poor. Some means of redistrubution of wealth in a captalistic system is neccessary to have a wealthy, moral, educated and lawful nation."

Workers of the world unite!

Join the Peoples Party!

(Busted)

368 posted on 02/15/2005 1:18:42 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: jpsb
Some means of redistrubution of wealth in a captalistic system is neccessary to have a wealthy, moral, educated and lawful nation.

This gets better by the minute. You could have saved a ton of posts by just owning up to your liberal beliefs in the beginning.

I love exposing liberals on FreeRepublic.

You can be sure these posts will be reposted many times on these threads. LOL

Redistribution of wealth as a moral concept....Mr. Kerry,,is that you?

369 posted on 02/15/2005 1:18:57 PM PST by Protagoras (Un-apprehended criminals have no credibility when advocating for the WOD)
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To: Protagoras
Umm, Mr "hide behind my key board" calls me a traitor, calls the free market treason, and cries like a child about name calling.

I'm not hiding behind my keyboard, want an address and some cops present.. I can oblige you. And I used a word properly without making an epithet or empty charge of it. I can fully defend it and have done so. You have demonstrably failed to do so and are rather just throwing hollow charges. When what little you offer by way of argument is destroyed and shown wrong, you name call. I'm not going to wine about it, I merely warn you that it may get you banned. I've put up with worse from better than you. While I don't have to and don't deserve it, I also agree that others don't have to put up with it and shouldn't be made to. So, as I said before, you may wish to consider taking a break before someone hits abuse. Cause you're there, pal.

370 posted on 02/15/2005 1:19:53 PM PST by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade. Hang the traitors high)
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To: Protagoras
"You can be sure these posts will be reposted many times on these threads. LOL"

How can I get a screen shot of his post. I want it for my trophy wall.

371 posted on 02/15/2005 1:20:31 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: Mad Dawgg

You still haven't addressed his specific points. He says that the private-sector job market is not growing, only the government-sector job market. He says that the composition of the private sector job market is changing - - that it's more at the low end, less at the high end. Do you have statistics that refute either of these claims? As a long-time freemarketer, I really want to believe he's wrong. But he's citing statistics, and I want to see evidence that he's wrong, not mere rhetoric.


372 posted on 02/15/2005 1:24:16 PM PST by churchillbuff
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To: jpsb
"...planet earth has lots of experience with unrestrained capitalism, it does not work. Unrestained capitalism leads to a society of the few very rich and the many very poor. Some means of redistrubution of wealth in a captalistic system is neccessary to have a wealthy, moral, educated and lawful nation."

Balderdash and poppycock...yer making excuses fer an ever-expanding and all-powerful Federal Leviathan!!

FReegards...MUD

373 posted on 02/15/2005 1:26:20 PM PST by Mudboy Slim (Decrease the Federal Expenditures as a percentage of GDP from its present 20% to 12% by 2013!!)
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To: Protagoras
Redistribution of wealth as a moral concept

No as a practical matter. It took the great Teddy Roosevelt (Republican by the way) to correct the capital system in the USA with labor and antitrust laws. So I think I am in excellent company. I would rid the USA of the progressive income tax, bust non utility monopolies, and return to tariffs/sales taxes, give labor more collective bargaining rights and then after a while fine tune the system.

374 posted on 02/15/2005 1:27:17 PM PST by jpsb
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To: Mad Dawgg
slave   Audio pronunciation of "slave" ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (slv)
n.

   1. One bound in servitude as the property of a person or household.
   2. One who is abjectly subservient to a specified person or influence: “I was still the slave of education and prejudice” (Edward Gibbon).
   3. One who works extremely hard.
   4. A machine or component controlled by another machine or component.


intr.v. slaved, slav·ing, slaves

Companies in China, lest we forget, are paying the chinese government who then turns around and doles out a part of the money to the workers. Slaves. We call it slavery, sweatshop labor, etc. The chains here are the wages and conditions. When you're paying less for a body than it would cost to maintain them as slaves, you're dealing in slaves. Call it what you like, if the end result is the same, you've gained nothing with terminology.

Now, that said, you're dealing with the modern equivelant of slavery. Dirt cheap (literally) wages. I can't buy a 1 pound bag of top soil in this country for what they're paying for two hours of labor in China. Yet, you want us to compete against that knowing it is wage rate dumping and has been illegal in this country for decades. Now that we throw about terminology, we're supposed to excuse it when you go to another country and tacitly do what's illegal here and pretend it's ok because you're making monstrous profits while subverting our economy?!

Yes, we should define our terms. Shouldn't we. Because when we paint the picture, it really enrages America even more.

375 posted on 02/15/2005 1:28:35 PM PST by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade. Hang the traitors high)
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To: Mudboy Slim

You know better then that, see my 374.


376 posted on 02/15/2005 1:28:45 PM PST by jpsb
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To: Protagoras

protagorass

Does not some redistribution create a middle class whereby they can buy your goods or services??
Capitalism was probbaly the most "free" as you call it in the late 1800's/early 1900's. I also read where people worked7 days a week, 16 hour days with no discretionary income whatsover during those time periods. Kids as young as 10 worked also. Whatever they made went 100% for food or heat or housing.

I've also seen the '50's(for example) when there was some discretionary income because of wealth redistribution(as you call it) and people seemed pretty happy and this was when the "consumerism" started in the country. That is a good thing.

Sorry but I would rather live in the '50's anyday.

BTW: You would have made a great robber baron.



377 posted on 02/15/2005 1:29:44 PM PST by superiorslots
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To: Mudboy Slim

"...yer making excuses fer an ever-expanding and all-powerful Federal Leviathan!!

FReegards...MUD


Go Mudboy!


378 posted on 02/15/2005 1:33:20 PM PST by international american (Tagline now fireproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: Havoc
You call me a traitor from behind a keyboard. You have done it repeatedly. Go call the mods to protect you.

So, as I said before, you may wish to consider taking a break before someone hits abuse. Cause you're there, pal.

The only someone is you. .

My pals don't call me a traitor from the safety of their homes while hiding on the internet.

But I know what your scam is, It's to get the mods to wipe out this whole thread so no one will see what you have done here.

Flame wars are against posting guidelines, And by you coming onto this thread and calling people who disagree with you traitors and accusing them of treason is precisely what causes them.

PS, we ain't pals.

379 posted on 02/15/2005 1:37:18 PM PST by Protagoras (Un-apprehended criminals have no credibility when advocating for the WOD)
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To: international american; Mudboy Slim
Capitalism only works then individual rights are defending by government that has adopted the capitalist economic system. Allowing COMMUNITST China to reap the benefits of the capitalist US market WITHOUT adopting the concept of individual rights and collective bargaining rights for it workers is a SELLOUT of the capitalist system.

yall can bump and high five all you want, but you are KILLING the USA with your unrestrained greed.

380 posted on 02/15/2005 1:42:11 PM PST by jpsb
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