Posted on 02/15/2005 6:44:11 AM PST by dennisw
Quote: Find something else to do, move, go to China and work for 25 cents. Exhaust all possibilities and then if nothing comes of it I guess you die of starvation
This speaks volumnes about how you feel about your fellow countrymen and your christian or (lack of it) outlook on life. Nothing more can be said.
And tell me about the morality of depriving someone of a basic living so you can buy a plasma tv. Hypocrites are plentiful among key board cowards.
Next you will be telling me that you are a Christian. One who draws lines on the ground and says people on the other side should starve so they can keep up a standard of living. People like you make me puke.
Morality isn't a word that should ever pass your foul lips.
You have yet to make a case. I have eaten your lunch in this "debate" and reduced Mad Dawgg to posting gibberish. You would be wise to educate yourself a tad.
Don't foul that term by pretending your evil nonsense is Christian.
I've read most of your postings on this thread and you may profess to be a Christian and a Conservative but your dogma points directly to Socialism and/or Communism.
He asked a question I answered it. Please enlighten us all with the proper Christian response.
Yes, you will be graded.
I'd hire a legal Martian, if he or she spoke English, wasn't color blind or physically impaired, and could read English. No eyebrow or nose rings. Sheeesh!
There are some unwritten rules that apply when posting on a forum. One is anyone who first calls someone a Nazi loses all debates. Another is the first to "claim' to win a debate has clearly lost.
You will want to guard against taking yourself seriously.
"Give yourself some credit judge, you're a tremendous slouch".
I'm always amazed at who thinks they "won" a debate. It's always them.
You have yet to make a case.
You have certainly made your case. You and Hillary agree, government control of the economy and government set prices. A socialist conservative. Not just an oxymoron, but a plain old moron.
If you are serious I can put you in touch with a friend that does exactly that kind of work and is concidering relocating to N.C. to do phone support work. He is more of a hands on tech, (Unix, Windows, sys admin type) but phone support is all he can find at the moment.
In a true free market, global economy, there is no reason to be loyal to any country, including the US. Just move where the jobs are. Rising standards of living in these foreign countries will make that easier to do.
We already see this on a micro level with areas like the northeastern US slowly dying while the south grows.
Of course, India won't let you immigrate there to work: westerners need not apply. Wonder why?
Quote: I've read most of your postings on this thread and you may profess to be a Christian and a Conservative but your dogma points directly to Socialism and/or Communism
So I guess the past protectionisms this country had for their workers made this a communist country back in the '50's, '60's, 70's and 80's?
I'm not proclaiming to be a christian though I try to be.
I'm fond of a recent "re-imagining" of the old Sci-Fi series "Battlestar Galactica" in which the Character, Baltar, commits treason. He doesn't intend to; but, he's a self-centered, self-seeking, intellectual snob with delusions of his own granduer who uses women, etc.. his character flaws make him a worm in the eyes of society if they knew how he behaved. And his behavior ends up giving aid and comfort to an enemy he's sleeping with to get what he wants while the enemy subverts their defense systems. He is a traitor. The word is properly applied. His intentions matter not a whit to the circumstance. It's his actions and lack thereof that make him a traitor. And the same is true with free trade. Interestingly, with Baltar, when the enemy started dropping fusion bombs on humanity to exterminate them, his first thought was to call his lawyer to hide him from his actions - which even he knew were treasonous at that point.
The parallels with what is going on now in trade are unmistakeable. You guys have supplanted the leggy blonde in the story with Profit motive. You're actions are undermining the economy, the citizenry in general, the market and it's rules, national security as a result.. etc. And the immigration issue piggybacks right along with it to produce what is likely an un-intended consequence but still amounts to treason. Like it or not, the word is properly applied and I would gladly say it to your face in the presence of legal authority. Not liking the truth doesn't make the truth out to be fighting words. I'm confident of my case. And the nation is against you as the polls showed till it became unwise for the Companies controlling the media to allow the story to be reported. Since the polls reflected roughly 70percent of americans being against offshoring/outsourcing they stopped polling on it. Hard to sell something as "america agrees or accepts" when the evidence shows the exact opposite. So, now, nobody from politicians to the media wants to address it.
To: Protagoras
"And the illegal comment implies that you agree that government should set prices, Yes or no?"
We as a nation learned the evils of unrestrained capitalism in post civil war USA so yes I believe that government has a role to play in preventing a return to 1880's sweat shops, child labor shops, and monopolies. If a producers gain a prices advantage by using labor rates that would be illegal in the nation then the nation has an OBLIGATION to lay duties on those products equal too, if not greater then the advantage gained by the illegal labor rates.
254 posted on 02/15/2005 12:56:31 PM CST by jpsb
>I'm willing to work for the most I can get.
As do I.
>I'm a businessman. I take pay cuts all the time.
Do you think that endless "pay cuts" is a desirable
outcome?
>I'm not immune. And I can't "sic" knowledge on you. You >either have it or not. And it doesn't change whether you >do or not.
I don't pretend to know all, but I can see that a policy
of importing cheap labor/outsourcing jobs without regard
for consequences is going to be ruious for our society.
Folks who study in school, took the hard courses, got the
degree, worked hard, kept up with the changing technology
and got sacked by Carly solely because their job could be done less expensively in Bangalore aren't going to take
the Neutron Jack view when they lose their nest egg and home. They are going to feel cheated and sold out, and I can't say that I blame them. Pure economics mandates
certain outcomes which are anathema to well ordered, moral societies. I certainly hope our society is one of those.
We're in Birmingham Alabama.
So when you talk about "wages that are illegal in this country", you are saying you DON'T support them?
I was going to reply to this but post #273 says it much better than I ever could.
No, it put us on the road to Socialism. Lucky for us Reagan got elected and changed all that. Lucky also Maggie Thatcher came to power in England and did the same.
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