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The Great American Job Sellout
google groups ^ | feb 2005 | Paul Craig Roberts

Posted on 02/15/2005 6:44:11 AM PST by dennisw

"The Great American Job Sellout By Paul Craig Roberts

Americans are being sold out on the jobs front. Americans' employment opportunities are declining as a result of corporate outsourcing of US jobs, H-1B visas that import foreigners to displace Americans in their own country, and federal guest worker programs

President Bush and his Republican majority intend to legalize the aliens who hold down wages for construction companies and cleaning services. In order to stretch budgets, state and local governments bring in lower paid foreign nurses and school teachers. To reduce costs, US corporations outsource jobs abroad and use work visa programs to import foreign engineers and programmers. The American job give away is explained by a "shortage" of Americans to take the jobs.

There are not too many Americans willing to accept the pay and working conditions of migrant farm workers. However, the US is bursting at the seams with unemployed computer engineers and well-educated professionals who are displaced by outsourcing and H-1B visas. During Bush's entire first term, there was a net loss of American private sector jobs. Today there are 760,000 fewer private sector jobs in the US economy than when Bush was first inaugurated in January 2001.

For years the hallmark of the European economy was its inability to create any jobs other than government jobs. America has caught up with Europe. During Bush's first term, state and local government created 879,000 new government jobs. Offsetting these government jobs against the net loss in private sector jobs gives Bush a four-year jobs growth of 119,000 government jobs. Comparing this pathetic result to normal performance produces a shortage of 8 million US jobs. What happened to these jobs?

Over these same four years the composition of US jobs has changed from higher-paid manufacturing and information technology jobs to lower-paid domestic services. Why?

During this extraordinary breakdown in the American employment machine, politicians, government officials, corporate spokespersons, and "free trade" economists gave assurances that America was benefitting greatly from the work visa programs and outsourcing.

The mindless chatter continues. Just the other day Ambassador David Gross, US Coordinator for International Communications and Information Policy in the State Department, declared outsourcing to be an economic efficiency that works to America's benefit. There is no sign of this alleged benefit in US jobs statistics or the US balance of trade.

Repeatedly and incorrectly, US corporations state that outsourcing creates more US jobs. They even convinced a New York Times columnist that this was the case.

The problem is, no one can identify where the US jobs are that outsourcing allegedly creates. They are certainly not to be found in the BLS jobs statistics. However, the Indian and Chinese jobs created by US outsourcing are highly visible.

On February 13, the Dayton (Ohio) Daily News reported that jobs outsourcing is transforming Indian "cities like Bangalore from sleepy little backwaters into the New York Cities of Asia." In a very short period outsourcing has helped to raise India from one of the world's poorest countries to its seventh largest economy.

Outsourcing proponents claim that US job loss is being exaggerated, that outsourcing is really just a small thing involving a few call centers. If that is the case, how is it transforming sleepy Indian cities into "the New York Cities of Asia"? If outsourcing is no big deal, why are Bangalore hotel rooms "packed with foreigners paying rates higher than in Tokyo or London," as the Dayton Daily News reports?

If outsourcing is of no real consequence, why are American lawyers or their clients paying $2,900 in fees plus hotel and travel expenses and two days' billings to attend the Fourth National Conference on Outsourcing in Financial Services in Washington DC (April 20-21)?

On the jobs front, as on the war front, the social security front and every other front, Americans are not being given the truth. Americans' news comes from people allied with the Bush administration or dependent on revenues from corporate advertisers. Displease the government or advertisers and your media empire is in trouble. The news most Americans get is filtered. It is the permitted news. Many "free trade" advocates also are dependent on the corporate money that funds their salaries, research and think tanks.

Another clear indication that outsourcing of US jobs is no small thing comes from the reported earnings of the leading Indian corporations that provide American firms with outsourced IT employees and engineers. During the recent quarter, Infosys' revenues increased by 53%, TCS grew by 38%, and Wipro was up 34%.

On January 1, 2001, Cincinnati-based Convergys Corp had one Indian employee. Today it has 10,000. Why? Because it can hire Indian university graduates for $240 a month, a sum that is a small fraction of the US poverty level income.

Many Americans think that an outsourced job is an existing job that is moved offshore. But many outsourced jobs are created offshore in the first place. On February 11, USA Today told the story of OfficeTiger, "the sort of young technology company that once created thousands of high-paying jobs in the USA, fueling sizzling economic growth." The five-year old startup business employs 200 Americans and ten times that number of Indians. The company has plans for hiring many more Indians to perform "tech-heavy financial services."

Under pressure from venture capitalists who fund new companies, American startup firms are starting up abroad. Thus, the new ventures, which "free trade" economists assured us would create new jobs to take the place of the ones moved offshore by mature firms, are in fact creating jobs for foreigners.

As a consequence, tech jobs in the US are falling as a percentage of the total. Clearly, tax breaks for venture capitalists are self-defeating when the result is to create jobs for foreigners, not for Americans. Why should the American taxpayer subsidize employment in India and China?

These developments have obvious adverse implications for engineering and professional education in America. The BLS jobs forecast for the next ten years says the vast majority of US jobs will not require a college education. University enrollments will decline and so will the production of PhDs as fewer professors are needed.

As India and China rise to first world status, the US falls to third world status where the only jobs are in domestic services.

This has enormous implications for the US balance of payments. Americans' consumption of manufactured goods is heavily dependent on foreign manufacture, whether that of foreign firms or that of US multinational firms that supply their American customers from offshore. How does an economy in which employment growth is concentrated in nontradable domestic services pay for its imports with exports?

Since 1990 the US has been paying for its imports by giving foreigners ownership of its assets. In the last 15 years foreigners have accumulated $3.6 trillion of America's wealth.

America has been able to pay for its consumption by giving up its wealth because the dollar is the world's reserve currency. As America's high-tech and manufacturing capabilities decline and its red ink rises, the dollar's role as reserve currency must end.

When the dollar loses its reserve currency role, America will not be able to pay for the imports on which it has become dependent. Shopping in Wal-Mart will be like shopping at Neiman Marcus.

Until recent years, US companies employed Americans to produce the goods that Americans consumed. Employment supported sales, and sales supported employment. No more. By their shortsighted policy of moving US jobs abroad, our corporations are destroying their American markets.

Economists give assurances that the dollar's decline and fall will bring jobs and industry back to the US. Once Americans are as poor as Indians and Chinese are today, the process will reverse. Multinational corporations will locate in America to take advantage of cheap labor and unserved markets. By becoming poor, the US can become rich again.

You might want to ask the economists and our "leaders" in Washington why we should put ourselves and our descendants through such a wrenching process."

--Jerry Leslie Note: les...@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email


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To: dennisw
Real GDP has been declining for some time and private sector jobs along with it.

Corporations have plenty of cash but won't invest it in productive enterprise because of foreign competition so they acquire other corporations. M&A activity is way up.

The Chinese/Japanese are at war with us by refusing to re-value their currencies.

We are looking at Stagflation, Part II.


BUMP

201 posted on 02/15/2005 9:57:22 AM PST by tm22721
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To: Protagoras
Here:

A third defining characteristic of economic fascism is that private property and business ownership are permitted, but are in reality controlled by government through a business-government "partnership."

The American fascist economist Lawrence Dennis, fascism "does not accept the liberal dogmas as to the sovereignty of the consumer or trader in the free market.... Least of all does it consider that market freedom, and the opportunity to make competitive profits, are rights of the individual."
202 posted on 02/15/2005 9:58:28 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: CJ Wolf

You are more of a visionary than me. Where can I get a book on this?


203 posted on 02/15/2005 9:58:37 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Reading is fundamental. Comprehension is optional.)
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To: e_castillo

I had an offer in Plano. But I like Alabama.


204 posted on 02/15/2005 9:59:31 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Reading is fundamental. Comprehension is optional.)
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To: e_castillo
Don't move to Dallas or you will find yourself at Home Depot!

Is that a bad place to work?

I know it's evil to shop there because they sell some stuff not made by people in the US, but ,,,,,,,

205 posted on 02/15/2005 9:59:50 AM PST by Protagoras (Un-apprehended criminals have no credibility when advocating for the WOD)
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To: Protagoras
"No I'm not. Freedom is what this country was based on"

Not quite, you are not free to murder, steal, cheat. And in the not too distant past you were not fee to put your neighbors out of work by using low wage foreign labor. Now it seems you are free to enrich yourself while impoverishing the nation with low wage foreign labor. Now this may work for you, but your life and your liberty will suffer as those around you sink into poverty.

Those gates around your community are not nearly as strong as you think.

206 posted on 02/15/2005 10:01:14 AM PST by jpsb
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To: dfwgator
Kind of interesting that you mentioned this. I seen a requirement for a Unix Sys Admin with 8 years experience in Solaris 2.5.1. I inquired and mentioned various experience with Solaris 2.5.1 to 2.9 (9) and was told that it must be 2.5.1, other don't count !

Not saying that these are your qualifications, but I have seen ridiculous requirements for applicants, like 10 years of Java plus 5 years of .Net experience with C/C++/COBOL, requirements that noone could ever match.

I would rather hire good technical people with solid basic technical skills. They may not have the experience on the specific technology, but I would be confident that after a week or two of ramping up, they would probably be more productive than someone who has the specific experience, but poor general technical skills.

Again, not saying that this is your case, but I have seen this too many times.

207 posted on 02/15/2005 10:01:44 AM PST by CORedneck
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To: hedgetrimmer
Spoon feeding? LOL

Are you for or against the free market? Who should set prices?

I don't like fascism. Although many on this site do. They love anti smoking laws and such.

208 posted on 02/15/2005 10:02:34 AM PST by Protagoras (Un-apprehended criminals have no credibility when advocating for the WOD)
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To: cp124; Conspiracy Guy
Manufacturing is all but dead as we move to a dependant driven society. The jobs of the future are lawyer, politician, doctor, social worker, retail, telemarketing, fast food. I work in manufacturing now and it is evident China will be the loan superpower with 10 years. Not only are we handing over our manufacturing we are giving away the technology. Our leaders have sold us down the river. Oh I forgot about starting your own business. I will clean your air conditioner filter and you can power wash my house.

Absolutely true.

The part this brave new world tech economy ignores is the half of human kind of average intelligence or below.

As technology displaces more and more blue collar workers . . .

Can every human on the planet--even had they the brains--get a masters from an MIT and then find work?

Can the world really employ that many engineers and scientists?

At what shall all those engineers and scientists be employed?

To invent reasons to employ so many engineers and scientists?*

No.

What will happen is a small percentage of people will hold all the wealth and power on earth, and will sponsor bread and circuses for the unemployed plebeians to keep them quiet.

Welcome to the new High-Tech Roman World Empire--where machines are the new slaves that put citizens out of work, and industrialists the new rulers.

PS: I cannot see how this new world economy can prevent the passing of independent nation states.

I see the loss of American sovereignty--the loss of the sovereignty of all nations--in the new economy.

And I see the creation of one culture, with consumerism at the top of its values.

PPS: Of course, I suspect those who worship at the altar of technology, have a plan to deal with the half of mankind of lower intelligence:

Either let them die out as unfit . . .

Or technology to the rescue: genetically "improved" humans.

People biologically engineered to be engineers!

- - - - - - - - -

*Though I admit that seems to work for lawyers.

209 posted on 02/15/2005 10:03:03 AM PST by Age of Reason
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To: jpsb
Not quite, you are not free to murder, steal, cheat.

Those are not freedoms. And I'd say nice try except it wasn't. It was childish.

210 posted on 02/15/2005 10:03:38 AM PST by Protagoras (Un-apprehended criminals have no credibility when advocating for the WOD)
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To: jpsb
Not quite, you are not free to murder, steal, cheat.

You are confusing freedom with license. li·cense: Heedlessness for the precepts of proper behavior; licentiousness.
211 posted on 02/15/2005 10:03:57 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Mad Dawgg

If I will do the job for 15 dollars/hr and someone in China will do a comparable job for 30 cents/hr then who is going to get the work? How do I survive if I can not work?


212 posted on 02/15/2005 10:05:41 AM PST by jpsb
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To: jpsb

Hey, you could always get a couple of minimum wage service sector jobs.


213 posted on 02/15/2005 10:07:23 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Conspiracy Guy
I have been trying to fill 4 technical jobs for 4 months. No one, with the qualifications, seems to be looking.

Hogwash! The qualified applicants are here and they are, and have been applying for the advertised positions.

If employment ads for carpenters ran like technical ads, the carpenter would have to have experience on specific brand-name hammers, saws, tape measures, squares, ladders, and saw-jacks, etc. to ever get an interview.

214 posted on 02/15/2005 10:07:38 AM PST by meadsjn
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To: jpsb
And in the not too distant past you were not fee to put your neighbors out of work by using low wage foreign labor.

Is it the foreign or the lower wage demands that you oppose?

Now it seems you are free to enrich yourself while impoverishing the nation with low wage foreign labor.

Nonsense, the government impoverishes it's citizens by stifling the free market. Just like in every country where they do it.

Now this may work for you, but your life and your liberty will suffer as those around you sink into poverty.

What tripe.

Those gates around your community are not nearly as strong as you think.

What gates? Hillary, is that you? Playing the class envy card is so liberal, and childish.

215 posted on 02/15/2005 10:07:46 AM PST by Protagoras (Un-apprehended criminals have no credibility when advocating for the WOD)
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To: Protagoras
"They love anti smoking laws and such."

I fully support anyone who wants to make a law/rule that states "No one can smoke on my property." I also fully suport anyone who wants to make a law/rule that states "Anyone can smoke on my property."(my property= property the lawmaker/rulemaker owns)

However, I do not support the government getting involved in anyway shape or form.

216 posted on 02/15/2005 10:08:46 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: Conspiracy Guy
Hogwash! The qualified applicants are here and they are, and have been applying for the advertised positions.

There ya have it! You lied!

217 posted on 02/15/2005 10:09:20 AM PST by Protagoras (Un-apprehended criminals have no credibility when advocating for the WOD)
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To: Mad Dawgg

They anti smoking laws that I am referring to, violate property rights.


218 posted on 02/15/2005 10:10:20 AM PST by Protagoras (Un-apprehended criminals have no credibility when advocating for the WOD)
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To: jpsb
"How do I survive if I can not work?"

Find something else to do, move, go to China and work for 25 cents.

Exhaust all possibilities and then if nothing comes of it I guess you die of starvation.

BTW what was the latest Starvation numbers in the USA?

The bodies must really be piling up now based on you guys ramblings of doom and gloom.

219 posted on 02/15/2005 10:13:05 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: superiorslots

H1B visa you cannot pay less than industry average, it is a requirement and it is strictly employed. Besides, an H1B visa employer pays the government a certain fee for local workforce training. And, basically, you cannot force an employer to hire someone he/she does not want (well, in some cultures you can), otherwise he/she will have to transfer business elsewhere. Beasides, H1B visa is a trickle and its a source of a high quality immigration of loyal, hard-working and law-abiding people as compared to other types of immigration (refugees, DV lottery, illegal, etc.).


220 posted on 02/15/2005 10:13:16 AM PST by Mi-kha-el ((There is no Pravda in Izvestiya and no Izvestiya in Pravda.))
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