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The Great American Job Sellout
google groups ^ | feb 2005 | Paul Craig Roberts

Posted on 02/15/2005 6:44:11 AM PST by dennisw

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1 posted on 02/15/2005 6:44:11 AM PST by dennisw
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I have been trying to fill 4 technical jobs for 4 months. No one, with the qualifications, seems to be looking. I know that is anecdotal but I know of many other's having the same problem all over the US.

I don't buy the "third world direction we're headed for" BS at all.


2 posted on 02/15/2005 6:52:08 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Reading is fundamental. Comprehension is optional.)
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However, the US is bursting at the seams with unemployed computer engineers and well-educated professionals who are displaced by outsourcing and H-1B visas.

So they are willing to work for the same price?

Basic economics.

We wouldn't have Mexican people working on lawn care if it paid $40M a year would we?

Price yourself out of the market and then cry about those willing to work for less.

3 posted on 02/15/2005 6:53:39 AM PST by Protagoras (Un-apprehended criminals have no credibility when advocating for the WOD)
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To: dennisw
As India and China rise to first world status, the US falls to
third world status where the only jobs are in domestic services.


4 posted on 02/15/2005 6:55:23 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: dennisw

This is the one issue that the dems have that they can gain traction on. My question is why are they not using it?


5 posted on 02/15/2005 6:56:59 AM PST by TXBSAFH (Never underestimate the power of human stupidity--Robert Heinlein)
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To: Protagoras
Price yourself out of the market and then cry about those willing to work for less.

 You and your close family get priced out of job markets and you will be squealing a different tune. Lawyers and hack politicians seem immune to insourcing (low priced immigrants) and outsourcing
6 posted on 02/15/2005 6:58:17 AM PST by dennisw (Qur’an 9:3 “Allah and His Messenger dissolve obligations.”)
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To: Protagoras

How much less are you willing to work for?
Do I hear you signing up for a pay cut?

When you sic 'basic economics' on others
do be aware that you aren't immune...


7 posted on 02/15/2005 7:02:07 AM PST by rahbert
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To: TXBSAFH
This is the one issue that the dems have that they can gain traction on. My question is why are they not using it?

Because they are beholden to the multicultural fantasy, same as the EUro-socialists who bring in millions of Muslims. Beholden to ethnic pressure groups particularly pro-immigration ones. Pro-illegal immigration ones too. Non country club Republicans (you and me) are solid against this dilution of America

8 posted on 02/15/2005 7:02:23 AM PST by dennisw (Qur’an 9:3 “Allah and His Messenger dissolve obligations.”)
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To: Conspiracy Guy
"I have been trying to fill 4 technical jobs for 4 months. No one, with the qualifications, seems to be looking. I know that is anecdotal but I know of many other's having the same problem all over the US."

What kind of technical jobs?

9 posted on 02/15/2005 7:04:38 AM PST by David
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To: Protagoras

As opposed to employers offering to pay 30% less than market, and bitch and moan that you cannot get anyone to take the job...

Then complaining to government that there is a labor shortage.

Then pressuring/lobbying/bribing (legally, of course, with campaign contributions) their representatives and the representatives of others to change immigration laws in order to tilt the playing field in their favor.

Then hiring someone from a country where $2,500/year allows someone to live in luxury.


10 posted on 02/15/2005 7:07:47 AM PST by WayneM (Remember; "Saturday people first. Sunday people next.")
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To: Conspiracy Guy

I an currently unemployed. Have been for about two weeks. My field is Network Administration. I am pleased with the prospects and this is Mississippi. There are two jobs I could take right now but I really want to work for this other company I recently inteviewed with. I should hear something this week.

My point is, over the last month, I have seen oodles of tech jobs available. Were I not so particular about what I am looking for at this point in my career, I probably could have been hired 5 times over, especially if I wanted to go back to helpdesk work.


11 posted on 02/15/2005 7:08:21 AM PST by L98Fiero
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To: dennisw
Thanks for posting this, Dennisw!

From the article:

As India and China rise to first world status, the US falls to third world status where the only jobs are in domestic services.

Well said and true.

12 posted on 02/15/2005 7:09:19 AM PST by neutrino (Globalization “is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.” (173))
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To: Conspiracy Guy
I have been trying to fill 4 technical jobs for 4 months. No one, with the qualifications, seems to be looking. I know that is anecdotal but I know of many other's having the same problem all over the US.

There's the law of gravity and the law of supply and demand. You gotta supply more money and you will find techies demanding to work for you

13 posted on 02/15/2005 7:12:27 AM PST by dennisw (Qur’an 9:3 “Allah and His Messenger dissolve obligations.”)
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There are just very few people who are unemployed that are willing to apply themselves to the job, and this is driving the demand to bring in people from other countries. If only we could upgrade the illegal immigrants flooding into this country to these highly trained technical positions....

The class of professional unemployed has shrunk to its lowest level ever, if you take into consideration that a lot of people are out there working on a temp basis, or are self-employed on a contract with various clients.


14 posted on 02/15/2005 7:13:01 AM PST by alloysteel ("Master of the painfully obvious.....")
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To: dennisw
You and your close family get priced out of job markets and you will be squealing a different tune.

Wrong. The rules of economics don't change depending on who's ox is being gored.

15 posted on 02/15/2005 7:14:20 AM PST by Protagoras (Un-apprehended criminals have no credibility when advocating for the WOD)
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To: WayneM

H2B2 is more dangerous to our mfg. base, along with the transfer of mfg technologies. Many US companies are pressuring their suppliers to buy from China because they are in partnership with the slave labor companies there. The Dems can't use this because for 8 years under Clinton this went on. The Dems can't keep Cali without illegals voting.


16 posted on 02/15/2005 7:16:50 AM PST by steve8714
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To: alloysteel
If only we could upgrade the illegal immigrants flooding into this country to these highly trained technical positions....

 Skills based immigration should be our aim and is what UK, Australia, NZ shoot for. One skill being to speak English. Family reunification dominates our legal immigration quotas, brings in more of the low skilled and unskilled

17 posted on 02/15/2005 7:16:52 AM PST by dennisw (Qur’an 9:3 “Allah and His Messenger dissolve obligations.”)
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I have been trying to fill 4 technical jobs for 4 months. No one, with the qualifications

Really. Do tell.

18 posted on 02/15/2005 7:18:31 AM PST by Glenn (The two keys to character: 1) Learn how to keep a secret. 2) ...)
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To: rahbert
How much less are you willing to work for?

I'm willing to work for the most I can get.

Do I hear you signing up for a pay cut?

I'm a businessman. I take pay cuts all the time.

When you sic 'basic economics' on others do be aware that you aren't immune...

I'm not immune. And I can't "sic" knowledge on you. You either have it or not. And it doesn't change whether you do or not.

19 posted on 02/15/2005 7:18:54 AM PST by Protagoras (Un-apprehended criminals have no credibility when advocating for the WOD)
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To: Protagoras
Wrong. The rules of economics don't change depending on who's ox is being gored.

Get back to me after your ox gets gored, by low priced immigrants and outsourcing. After your son's, daughter's and nephew's ox get gored. As far as I know you don't live in a castle in the sky. You can't eat absurd, out dated economic theories and you can't send kids to college on them.

20 posted on 02/15/2005 7:21:17 AM PST by dennisw (Qur’an 9:3 “Allah and His Messenger dissolve obligations.”)
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