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Immigration Pits GOP Elites Against Conservative Voters
IntellectualConservative.com ^ | 14 February 2005 | W. James Antle III

Posted on 02/14/2005 9:56:21 AM PST by atomic_dog

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This is the one issue that if properly exploited by Democrats could get them the White House back. Even if only by getting a third party candidate with strong bona fides on illegal immigration in the race to siphon off sufficient votes from the Republicans. Curious that an issue this powerful is completely ignored by both parties. As they say, nature abhors a vacuum. It will be most fascinating to see how this plays out in the next four years.
1 posted on 02/14/2005 9:56:21 AM PST by atomic_dog
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To: atomic_dog

You are so right. This issue will cost the republicans.


2 posted on 02/14/2005 9:58:48 AM PST by TXBSAFH (Never underestimate the power of human stupidity--Robert Heinlein)
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To: Bikers4Bush; djf; Mr. Mojo; Missouri; FITZ; F16Fighter; Reaganwuzthebest; drt1; txdoda; AuntB; ...

Ping.


3 posted on 02/14/2005 9:59:00 AM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: atomic_dog

This is the one issue that if properly exploited by Democrats could get them the White House back.
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Yes. If the leftist Dems think for one minute that NET VOTES CAN BE GAINED by backstabbing their Hispanic vote, THEY WILL DO IT. They will stand for closing the borders, rounding up illegals and sending them back, etc, etc, etc. Big and loud. Mark this ole guy's words -- these communists are so POWER HUNGRY that they WILL DO ANYTHING to get back in the White House.


4 posted on 02/14/2005 10:05:34 AM PST by EagleUSA
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MONEY QUOTE: "rank-and-file Republican voters take a more sensible position. They believe that immigration should be legal and controlled, occurring at a manageable level accompanied by assimilation. They are receptive to immigrants who actually intend to give their allegiance to America, but don’t see any need to import poverty, cultural balkanization and sociopolitical fragmentation."


5 posted on 02/14/2005 10:06:06 AM PST by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: Marine Inspector

Well here we go again.


7 posted on 02/14/2005 10:06:54 AM PST by yarddog
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Can I ask just why it is so controversial to ask that we just enforce the laws that we have, let alone make them stricter?


8 posted on 02/14/2005 10:09:07 AM PST by Madeleine Ward
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Amen, absolutely, couldn't agree more.


9 posted on 02/14/2005 10:09:33 AM PST by upchuck ("If our nation be destroyed, it would be from the judiciary." ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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LOL.


10 posted on 02/14/2005 10:10:10 AM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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I have a sneaking feeling that open-border, pro-choice McCain will be the GOP nominee in 2008. And it will be a disaster.


11 posted on 02/14/2005 10:11:06 AM PST by Sam the Sham
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To: atomic_dog
this issue is a defining moment for the GOP.

sure, the Democratics have no solution to this problem - hell, they don't even see it as a problem, but if future elections are as close as the ones we've recently survived, then the GOP cannot afford to IGNORE this issue.

on a side note: the new FREEPER poll regarding illegal immigration shows that over 3,500 registered FReepers have voted. This shows how popular the FR website is. Could it be that there are some 5000 active FReepers regularly checking in? You bet!

The DUmmbasses are having their pathetic fundraising effort now - and I cannot help but think that they have somewhere between 500 and 1000 active DUmbasses

the last FR fundraising quarter showed 2172 donations (including monthlies).

as of last quarter FR had 22,734 registerd members - but I am sure that many are no longer active FReepers.

14 posted on 02/14/2005 10:12:21 AM PST by rface ("...the most schizoid freeper I've ever seen")
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"While there are many honorable exceptions, the GOP as a whole has been useless, and sometimes pernicious, on immigration.

That is the truth! I just don't understand the unwillingness of the Party Leaders to see controlled Immigration as a winning issue. IMO there are many on the Left who don't like the current situation any more than those of us do (At least Polls show opposition to Illegals crosses Party Affiliation)

"This will surely cost us votes"

No doubt it will, either from lack of enthusiasm in the base or the emergence of a Third arty candidate who siphons off Rep votes. Again, mystified why this is possible when the solution appears so self evident - Adopt a common sense, adherence to the EXISTING law approach to the problem. IMHO a no brainer.

15 posted on 02/14/2005 10:14:49 AM PST by drt1
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Good article, I am probably one of the social and economic conservatives this article is targetting, whereas my wife is in the more grassroots category and we fight about this sometimes. Overall I think she is right on the issue.


16 posted on 02/14/2005 10:14:59 AM PST by Jibaholic
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To: upchuck

I forgot to add... Anyone who takes this (reasonable IMHO) line will be demonized as a racist by the MSM, and ignored by the Republican elites.


17 posted on 02/14/2005 10:15:18 AM PST by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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When the POTUS dissed Americans by using that tired old cliche: "Jobs Americans wont do" in his SOTU speech, it was evident he is completely out of touch with his base on this issue. He seems to bend over and grab his ankles anytime Vincente Fox tells him to.
18 posted on 02/14/2005 10:16:48 AM PST by Mulch (tm)
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To: atomic_dog

One thing's certain: This issue, along with gun laws, and abortion, are the turning points for many people. They're all the most difficult issues discussed here on FR.

I think that there's far more risk for the GOP by taking the current line, which is essentially ignoring illegal immigration. That path may lead to lots of folks abandoning the party for some other party, or no party at all.


19 posted on 02/14/2005 10:18:18 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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Oh the despair, we just won an election and we are falling apart? I think not. Sure we have issues we do not walk in lock step like Democrats. As issues boil to the surface they'll be addressed. The sky is not falling, I repeat the sky is not falling, well unless you're a Democrat.


20 posted on 02/14/2005 10:18:23 AM PST by TheForceOfOne (Social Security – I thought pyramid schemes were illegal!)
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