Posted on 02/14/2005 12:32:30 AM PST by RWR8189
No wonder you admire Keyes. You do verbal jigs just as he does.
My father blew a gasket when I switched my major from chemistry to anthropology. Should I have switched back to show that I 'honor' him? Should I trade my car in because my parents do not approve of mine? Should I not smoke because my father is an ex-smoker, and therefore a nut when it come to smoking? Honor thy mother and father does mean that as an adult you do everything they say.
Mike Signorile: "So Mary Cheney is a selfish hedonist, is that it?"
Keyes had the chance to do the right thing and not take it personal.
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He did do the right thing.
Whether selfish hedonists like it or not, tough tits...
exactly, as an ADULT, this entire article is based on the notion that she is a child who needs her fathers financial support and home.
Can't have your cake and eat it too.
An eloquent defense. ; )
And the reactions of many are that even if she doesn't need his financial support, she still shouldn't be gay just to please him.
"For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all." - the guy who wrote James 2:10
"It is the delusions of man that wishes and hopes and prays that the Lord of Glory will view their sins on a "case by case" basis."
I think its the delusions of man to think they know the mind of God, or that they think they can know anything as a fact with absolute certainty. I think the best we can do is stumble along blindly, doing what we think is right. I'm sure you are doing this, and that's a good thing. I am to.
Enjoy your (brief) stay at FR.
Mothers and fathers have to expel children for destructive behavior every day. Whether it is for drugs, abuse, or criminal conduct it is a tough choice.
How many parents have had to exclude a offspring because they refused to get help to cease a destructive behavior. We are not talking about smoking or other red hering.
These are not all only children. What about the other siblings, or grand children. Nobody disputes that contact with homosexuals should be minimized when it comes to children. There are very good reasons to shun a person who refuses to see the destruction of their conduct.
Should the child see the error of their ways and THEN return they would be welcomed. Behavior has consequences.
I think its the delusions of man to think they know the mind of God, or that they think they can know anything as a fact with absolute certainty. I think the best we can do is stumble along blindly, doing what we think is right. I'm sure you are doing this, and that's a good thing. I am to.
"And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell." -- Matthew 5:30Perhaps that is exactly what Alan has done by casting his daughter out of the household.
Many young woman who go to college have led very sheltered lives in structured households. The main focus has been academic, not her social life or "self-discovery". Many women have never had a date by the time they go to college. If you have never had a date, not thought much about your sexual orientation and look at life from an intellectual versus emotional point of view, you can be very vulnerable to someone who says, "You subconsciously put yourself in this college because you know deep-down that you're gay and just haven't come out yet." Your best friends are female (after all, that's all you find in a women's college), the need to compete for attention from the male community is absent, as well as positive (and potentially sexually-charged) male feedback.
Is it possible? Yes. We had a cousin as well as sister-in-law "converted" after the break-up of two bitter marriages. The logic for this? "Well, I'm such a failure with men, maybe I should have been with a woman all along." And these gals were over-40!
I know it's an exercise in futility to ask you for sources, but you're awfully mouthy for someone who's whole condemnation hinges on "what did he know, and when did he know it," but hasn't established either.
I guess we're all "guilty of it all", then. Unless you've uncovered a perfect non-sinner somewhere.
"Perhaps that is exactly what Alan has done by casting his daughter out of the household."
Perhaps. That or he's just a jerk. What's interresting about this whole debate is the lack of focus on Alan's sins. Does his daughter cast him out for his sins? Does his wife? Or is the only sin worthy of being "cast out for" (if it is a sin) is homosexuality?
I think there's a lot of hollier-than-thouness going on in our society. Plenty of people standing in line to cast the first stone.
I am not aware of that. Sorry. I do know that Dr. Keyes is a wonderful person and I hope that he and his family will get through these difficult times.
"homosexuality is a sin.....but the broader point is....all fall short of the glory of God"
Nice to meet you halfway :)
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