Posted on 02/13/2005 11:56:57 PM PST by Hoverbug
Hi Jim,
Looks like Illegal Immigration and Amnesty is going to be your downfall, and the downfall of FR if you don't change your ways. I hope it is not the downfall of the conservative movement. Or is that what you wanted?
Your story is all over the web, and many people now know the truth.
I kept my account here for just this occassion. Go ahead and ban me and prove your critics correct. I reported abuse (name calling, personal attacks etc.)from your favorites, and I was the one that was suspended.
The jig is up Jim, and you've been exposed.
Buh Bye! The web will call the Viking Kitty's on you.
HB
He's got his very own "counterproductive solution". Every time he hints at amnesty my county gets overrun with border intruders. Amnesty didn't work before, it won't work now. No amnesty! No rewards!
While it's impossible to prevent another website from linking to one's own, there may be a simple solution to this that would be equitable to all.
I don't know much about the Minuteman organization, as I've only quickly examined their homepage, however it doesn't seem that they do have any material from Stormfront on their site. It's entirely possible that the Minuteman Project does condemn racism, but, since I didn't see anything in their "About MMP" link specifically condemning racism, there's nothing there to indicate that they DO condemn racism either.
Thus, the solution seems simple to me. Maybe you, Mr. Robinson, could e-mail the head of the Minuteman Project, tell him/her about your concerns, and ask if they wouldn't mind specifically condemning racism on their homepage, and/or their "About" page. Based on the reply to such a request, I would think that would satisfactorily answer this question (the question of whether or not the Minuteman project is indeed turning a blind eye to any racist elements in their organization) once and for all.
Just a humble suggestion!
Pushing your luck?
You mean like his pushing worker visa's, amnesties, and failing to secure our borders when we are supposedly at War with terrorists?
Yeah... makes a LOT of sense then that we should just give him the benefit of the doubt.
Thanks for your reply, Jim. Are you saying former FReepers were posting stormfront stuff and that's why they were banned? If so, that's understandable.
Also, I didn't even know what the Minuteman Project (MP) was until this thread title was modified and I did a google on it. Are you saying the MP is aware of and welcoming support from stormfront; thus by supporting the MP, former FReepers were assumed to be also suppporting stormfront, and that's why they were banned? If so, that's understandable.
You probably already know I am completely against illegal immigration and am often on threads related to that issue. But again, until your posts I can't remember seeing anything posted from the Minuteman Project or stormfront before. Maybe I missed it or scrolled over it without paying attention. Maybe it's just that I'm not very "well-connected" on FR and things have been simmering behind the scenes that I haven't seen.
I just have a really hard time believing some of the people who were banned were at all interested in getting involved with white supremacists.
The Minuteman Project welcomes participants regardless of gender, race, color, creed, age, or physical disability.
From their 'SOP' page:
Think about it this way. With the ideals explained in the previous paragraphs [i.e., self-policing, acting peacefully within the law, etc. - Sloth], anyone with the intention of stepping over the line will now realize they will not get away with it. Any possible racist, unstable or misguided element will now realize they will not succeed.
And just for the record, I'd never even visited the Minuteman website before 5 minutes ago.
My question is, Hoverbug, are you bothering to read the postings of the thread and these great links? Are you 'hovering' or just another DU cowardly hit and run?
Yeah... I'm not real hopeful either.
Leave the gun....take the cannolis...
This reminds me of the somali over runing Lewiston, Maine. People started to get upset in that small town. There were no jobs to be had.As they began to express themselves and object to their taxes rewarding deadbeats, who had stated they moved there because of the generous welfare, the KKK types moved in to "protest" the somali presense. That shut everyone up pretty well, as I recall.
I agree with that 100 % Anyone here illegally needs to be sent back.
I'm against welfare to begin with. My Russian immigrant grandparents got by without it. It wasn't pretty, but they were more concerned about making it on their own than in scamming a handout.
These guys sound like they are trying to keep focused on the issue and not allowing the racists to detract from the important issue. Ie; Controlling our border when the government seems bent on ignoring the problem.
Any "KKK types" will be kindly shown the road home...
Thank you for your #81. I was immediately blocked by my employer's web censor from opening Mr. Robinson's links in #5. Well enough - the FR thread exposing their plot was plenty notice what Stormfront is about.
Missed that, thanks! I hope they intend to enforce such ideals at their gathering Apr 1-30, because it does seem as though members of SF are interested in their work, and thus might show up. It could degenerate into a shouting match between the racists and non racists there. That would also be something FR should probably not be associated with, for obvious PR reasons I'd think.
Ultimately it's Jim's decision. And to be frank, I don't really care either way. I've heard the tired rhetoric of the original poster before: It seems you have made "X" an issue, and now "X" is going to bring you (FR) down. (where X is any issue I've seen hotly debated on FR in the 3+ years I've been here).
Funny, I have yet to see FR suffer by the loss of any one small minority group in all that time.
jim s.
I think worker's visas is a good idea, I think amnesty is a disastrous idea, and I believe that we absolutely must secure our borders. I don't however think that these are the three most important things on the president's plate. It would be great if everything could get done at once.
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