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It seems I always "arrive late" at most threads. But.. some stories deserve a follow-up, a "coda" of sorts, which places them into better perspective.

First, I reproduce a post I made at the end of the thread on February 11th:
My predictions for this boy's future:
1. He is going to turn out just fine.
2. He knew what he was "getting" - and he _loved_ it. He probably wants _more_.
3. He is the envy of most _other_ boys his age at school.
4. He is likely going to become quite popular with the ladies in a few years.

The following article appeared in The New York Post on Sunday, February 13th. I have added emphasis where appropriate:
ARTICLE FOLLOWS:
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McMinnville, Tenn. - The torrid "affair" between a stunning teacher and a 13-year-old student began with innocent online chats, but ended with the teen losing his verginity and temptress obsessed with her boy toy, the teen's best friend said.

Justin Grisson, 19, says Pamela Turner - a gorgeous, 27-year-old gym teacher and basketball coach at Centertown Elementary who was arrested last week on 28 sex charges - threw herself at his pal. The Post is withholding the name of the underage victim.

"he was a virgin," said Grissom, who has known the teen since they were tots. "he never had sex. She was into him more; it was her who pursued him."

The woman in the case is a blond bombshell who three years ago donned a sexy bikini to pose with a Harley in a newspaper ad for a local motorcycle shop.

Her strange relationship started one afternoon after school in early November, Grissom said, while Grissom was at his friend's house and the two sat at the computer in the teen's bedroom.

Up to that point, Grissom said, his friend and Turner had only exchanged friendly instant messages. But he said he saw them cross the line for the first time with an exchange in which Turner wrote: "I think you're cute."

"We started laughing because we thought she was joking," Grissom recalled.

"What should I write back?" the 13-year-old asked his friend.

"I think you're hot," the teen replied in his instant message.

The chat ignited an illicit three-month affair during which, authorities charged, Turner and the teen had intercourse and oral sex more than a dozen times.

The illicit trysts took place not only inside the home Turner rented after her husband, 31-year-old Chris Turner, filed for divorce, but also at the teenagers house and even at school, cops say.

Ironically, Turner was supposed to be looking out for the teenager - who played school basketball, just as she did in her younger days. Her husband, the basketball coach at Warren County HS, had asked her to keep and eye on the eigth-grader because he expected him to start on the varsity team when he arrived at high school.

According to authorities, she kept more than an eye on him.

But the teenager was hardly an unwilling participant, according to his friend.

"He loved every minute of it," Grissom says. "He's a little pimp."

Grissom said his pal dumped a girlfriend his own age to spend more time with Turner.

Grissom spent one afternoon with Turner and his pal together in their school - where Turner admitted to Grissom she had sex with his friend.

"we were in the gym and she asked me, 'Did [the boy] tell you we had sex?' I said yes and she said, 'We did.'"

Grissom was shocked, but didn't say any more to Turner about the situation. He claims that soon after, Turner began calling his best friend "five to six" times a night, but his pal was simply having fun.

"He was in it for the sex," Grissom said.

The boy's mom says the vixen teacher stayed over at their house a few times during the affair with her son - claiming her water heater was broken in the house she was renting nearby. She moved there after Chris Turner filed for divorce on Jan. 14 for "improper marital conduct."

"She was very charming," the teen's mother says. "I had no reason not to trust her."

But word spread like wildfire around Centertown, and cops got an anonymous tip.

Billy Medley, the owner of Medley's Diner across from Turner's school, said the boy with whom Turner alledgedly had sex "is no ordinary 13-year-old."

"He was probably shaving in the seventh grade," Medley said. "He's about 5-foot-9 and he hangs out with an older crowd. You wouldn't think he was 13."

The boy's mom has pulled him out of school, saying he'll go back "only if and when he is ready."

Turner has been holed up at her father's chicken farm since her Feb. 7 arrest. She is free on $50,000 bond.
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END OF ARTICLE

John speaking again:

This "boy" was NO "victim". He was an active partner in the relationship once it began. And, to reiterate what the young man (for he can no longer be seen as a "boy", but now is a consummated young _man_ with a touch of "mojo" to boot!) conveyed to his friend, "he loved every minute of it" (what did I write a couple of days before this was reported?), and, "he was in it for the sex". If anything, once the passion was steaming, the young man was taking advantage of the woman - not the other way around!

Yes, there _is_ a "double-standard" regarding younger/older sex, as HitManNY explained so well in earlier postings. So it has been since time began, and so it will be, as long as males are males and females are females. It is the way things are.

I sense that - as the years go by - this kid will grow up with fond memories of his "initiation" into the ways of women and sexuality. What man _would not_ look back on his "first rites" with a beautiful woman with some wistfulness and longing? And I also sense that he will lead a sexual life that, um, is more interesting than the majority of us experience (laughs). As I said, he now has "mojo". The other young women who know him will look at him - and at the woman who tempted him - and wonder, "what does he have that made such a beautiful woman _want_ him so passionately?" And I'll wager that a few of them will seek him out, trying to find out for themselves exactly what those "qualities" of his character are!

Yes, the double-standard exists.

And, as voiced by so many _other_ male posters here, why didn't a beautiful woman like that find _me_ back in my salad days???

Cheers!
- John

Just like I thought.

That kid did EXACTLY what I would have done given the sheer "hottiness" of that teacher.

I hope all the holier-than-thou's on this board learned a little perspective.

Yep. To be fair, this article does make clear that she clearly has a screw or two loose, and she should be held accountable if guilty.

Re: The double standard - there is no double standard. A true double standard is two different standards for the same thing. When it comes to sexuality, male sexuality and female sexuality are two different things. So we have two standards for two different things, and not a double standard for the same thing as some folks like to insist.

But last week, I didn't doubt for a second that he was a very willing participant. The average young man at that age might be scared at the sudden thrust of sexuality, but he would more likely than not indulge (and this is mostly based on the fact that she is very fit, young, & goodlooking and offering him uncluttered and uncomplicated sex).

This is an odd story - last week I had also casually joked to a friend that odds are she might be the one more hurt when their relationship was over. Circumstantial evidence in this account certainly supports that, oddly. I was just joking!!

Weird story, but for males, it's a dream come true. And when you get right down to it, I know very few males who wouldn't indulge in the uncomplicated, inexpensive, and relatively strings-free aggressive sexual advances from a young, attractive woman.

Whether ultimately that would be a positive or a negative, it's hard to say (though I lean in one direction). As I wrote last week, and it's something the 'negative' camp might have a problem coping with, most of us have done all sorts of things that negatively impacted us. And we're still standing here, aren't we?

Humans are not nearly as fragile as a lot of folks like to think, and nor are they as tough as others like to insist. The truth is most men and women bend, but don't break - that's the way God made us, and that's a good thing.

In the interests of full disclosure, I confess I have no comparable negative experience as this young man in my past. Whether it would be a traumatic thing, or a tender memory, or something else, I can't really say.

Spoken like a true male freeper with no moral compass whatsoever that is required for raising healthy and chast children.

Yep. To be fair, this article does make clear that she clearly has a screw or two loose, and she should be held accountable if guilty.

Re: The double standard - there is no double standard. A true double standard is two different standards for the same thing. When it comes to sexuality, male sexuality and female sexuality are two different things. So we have two standards for two different things, and not a double standard for the same thing as some folks like to insist.

But last week, I didn't doubt for a second that he was a very willing participant. The average young man at that age might be scared at the sudden thrust of sexuality, but he would more likely than not indulge (and this is mostly based on the fact that she is very fit, young, & goodlooking and offering him uncluttered and uncomplicated sex).

This is an odd story - last week I had also casually joked to a friend that odds are she might be the one more hurt when their relationship was over. Circumstantial evidence in this account certainly supports that, oddly. I was just joking!!

Weird story, but for males, it's a dream come true. And when you get right down to it, I know very few males who wouldn't indulge in the uncomplicated, inexpensive, and relatively strings-free aggressive sexual advances from a young, attractive woman.

Whether ultimately that would be a positive or a negative, it's hard to say (though I lean in one direction). As I wrote last week, and it's something the 'negative' camp might have a problem coping with, most of us have done all sorts of things that negatively impacted us. And we're still standing here, aren't we?

Humans are not nearly as fragile as a lot of folks like to think, and nor are they as tough as others like to insist. The truth is most men and women bend, but don't break - that's the way God made us, and that's a good thing.

In the interests of full disclosure, I confess I have no comparable negative experience as this young man in my past. Whether it would be a traumatic thing, or a tender memory, or something else, I can't really say.

.... the teen's best friend said.

As the article goes on to state, this 13 year old boy's best friend happens to be nineteen. If that doesn't tell you how screwed up this kid is already, nothing does. What well adjusted thirteen year old has a nineteen year old as his best friend? " And after this incident with the teacher ,it will only get worse but we probably won't hear about it.