Posted on 02/10/2005 6:39:50 PM PST by gobucks
PHILADELPHIA - Evangelical Christians, buoyed by the re-election of President Bush, are turning American schools into a battleground over whether evolution explains the origins of life or whether nature was designed by an all-powerful force.
In at least 18 states, campaigns have begun to make public schools teach intelligent design a theory that nature is so complex it could only have been created by design alongside Charles Darwins theory of evolution.
Its pretty clear that there is a religious movement behind intelligent design, said Steve Case, chairman of the Science Standards Committee, a group of educators that advises the Kansas Board of Education. The board will decide later this year whether to include intelligent design in biology classes.
Some scientists who espouse the theory say intelligent design does not question that evolution occurred, but how it occurred: They believe more was at play than random mutation and natural selection. The theory, they insist, does not support the religious concept of a creator.
Those who advocate giving it equal treatment in schools have a different interpretation.
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The poll found greater support for teaching creationism among Republican voters 71 percent of Bush voters favored teaching creationism alongside evolution.
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John West, (located) at the Seattle-based Discovery Institute, which pioneered intelligent design research, said the theory was too complex to teach at high schools and was better-suited to a college setting.
There is a concern that intelligent design has been hijacked by people who dont really know what it says, he said. We dont think it should be a political football.
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Intelligent design is a religious doctrine, said Wayne Carley, executive director of the National Association of Biology Teachers. There is no research to support it, and it is clearly religious in that it posits a higher being.
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I thought you avoided these threads. I am going to do so right now.
To gobucks: Be careful where you go with that ID stuff. CA Whackos will have us teaching kids aliens from other worlds planted us as an experiment and are returning occasionally to observe us.
Better read the tea leaves and sober up. What religion/cult is hot in the media currently? If you get ID in the schools, THAT'S what they will be teaching, not what you wanted. And if that is not it, local Native Americans tell a story whereby Turtle brought soil up from the great flood and created land so that Eagle could create people. You want creation? Better be prepared to compete with a lot of other creation stories!
And most of them have a better lobby than you do.
Behind all the frantic evo handwaving, those who see recognize that the real issue is axioms. An unbudgeable axiom of secular science is that the physical universe is ultimate. If a neon sign were to appear in the sky reading "Jesus is Lord" there would still be people arguing that it appeared by chance.
Right after my post. That's not very nice, lol.
You're amening to WHAT? "pulpit" -- what pulpit? I have yet to hear of the dedication of a "Church of the Intelligent Design" nor do I expect there to be any.
The issue is not in bringing the pulpit in; it is in refraining from squeezing the pulpit out.
I said... I don't mind these threads from time to time.
No, it really isn't.
Show me even one example of them ever having abandoned that axiom.
Do your own homework and show me where that's a requirement of science.
Faith shows itself through action. The faith of secular science has spoken loud and clear.
Ah. Because you say so, in effect. And you don't feel particularly compelled to demonstrate any connection between your claims and reality. Of course.
Actions of your 'religion' have spoken. The truth of this fact matters not one whit whether I comment on it or not.
Actions of your 'religion' have spoken. The truth of this fact depends not one whit on whether I comment on it or not.
And in that you are totally wrong
My religion? What religion would that be, I wonder? More importantly, does that crystal ball give you anything useful, like next week's lotto numbers?
The truth of this fact depends not one whit on whether I comment on it or not.
LOL. Well, I certainly can't make you speak. Or think for that matter, but that should be obvious by now ;)
"If he thinks that only the Christians are the militant"
The guy didn't say that, at least not in the article. That's someone putting words in his mouth.
#31 Analysis Bingo...
Bingo BTT
Evolution is science. It doesn't matter whether you "believe" in it or not.
The state of scientific schooling in our public schools is terrible. We're dooming ourselves to second-tier nation status.
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