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Politics and religion enter into evolution debate (71% of Bush voters support teaching ID
MSNBC ^ | Feb. 10, 2005 | Jon Hurdle (Reuters)

Posted on 02/10/2005 6:39:50 PM PST by gobucks

PHILADELPHIA - Evangelical Christians, buoyed by the re-election of President Bush, are turning American schools into a battleground over whether evolution explains the origins of life or whether nature was designed by an all-powerful force.

In at least 18 states, campaigns have begun to make public schools teach “intelligent design” — a theory that nature is so complex it could only have been created by design — alongside Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution.

“It’s pretty clear that there is a religious movement behind intelligent design,” said Steve Case, chairman of the Science Standards Committee, a group of educators that advises the Kansas Board of Education. The board will decide later this year whether to include intelligent design in biology classes.

Some scientists who espouse the theory say intelligent design does not question that evolution occurred, but how it occurred: They believe more was at play than random mutation and natural selection. The theory, they insist, does not support the religious concept of a creator.

Those who advocate giving it equal treatment in schools have a different interpretation.

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The poll found greater support for teaching creationism among Republican voters — 71 percent of Bush voters favored teaching creationism alongside evolution.

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John West, (located) at the Seattle-based Discovery Institute, which pioneered intelligent design research, said the theory was too complex to teach at high schools and was better-suited to a college setting.

“There is a concern that intelligent design has been hijacked by people who don’t really know what it says,” he said. “We don’t think it should be a political football.”

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“Intelligent design is a religious doctrine,” said Wayne Carley, executive director of the National Association of Biology Teachers. “There is no research to support it, and it is clearly religious in that it posits a higher being.”

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To: Victoria Delsoul

I thought you avoided these threads. I am going to do so right now.


41 posted on 02/10/2005 8:43:51 PM PST by ValenB4
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To: general_re; gobucks
To general_re: I was going to post along these lines, but you did a wondeful job.

To gobucks: Be careful where you go with that ID stuff. CA Whackos will have us teaching kids aliens from other worlds planted us as an experiment and are returning occasionally to observe us.

Better read the tea leaves and sober up. What religion/cult is hot in the media currently? If you get ID in the schools, THAT'S what they will be teaching, not what you wanted. And if that is not it, local Native Americans tell a story whereby Turtle brought soil up from the great flood and created land so that Eagle could create people. You want creation? Better be prepared to compete with a lot of other creation stories!

And most of them have a better lobby than you do.

42 posted on 02/10/2005 8:44:02 PM PST by Coyoteman
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To: general_re
If the science is bad, the correction must come from better science,

Behind all the frantic evo handwaving, those who see recognize that the real issue is axioms. An unbudgeable axiom of secular science is that the physical universe is ultimate. If a neon sign were to appear in the sky reading "Jesus is Lord" there would still be people arguing that it appeared by chance.

43 posted on 02/10/2005 8:44:40 PM PST by The Red Zone
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To: ValenB4
I am going to do so right now.

Right after my post. That's not very nice, lol.

44 posted on 02/10/2005 8:48:15 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Coyoteman

You're amening to WHAT? "pulpit" -- what pulpit? I have yet to hear of the dedication of a "Church of the Intelligent Design" nor do I expect there to be any.

The issue is not in bringing the pulpit in; it is in refraining from squeezing the pulpit out.


45 posted on 02/10/2005 8:48:49 PM PST by The Red Zone
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To: ValenB4

I said... I don't mind these threads from time to time.


46 posted on 02/10/2005 8:49:14 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: The Red Zone
An unbudgeable axiom of secular science is that the physical universe is ultimate.

No, it really isn't.

47 posted on 02/10/2005 9:04:12 PM PST by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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To: general_re

Show me even one example of them ever having abandoned that axiom.


48 posted on 02/10/2005 9:05:48 PM PST by The Red Zone
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To: The Red Zone

Do your own homework and show me where that's a requirement of science.


49 posted on 02/10/2005 9:09:02 PM PST by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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To: general_re

Faith shows itself through action. The faith of secular science has spoken loud and clear.


50 posted on 02/10/2005 9:09:52 PM PST by The Red Zone
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To: The Red Zone

Ah. Because you say so, in effect. And you don't feel particularly compelled to demonstrate any connection between your claims and reality. Of course.


51 posted on 02/10/2005 9:13:09 PM PST by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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To: general_re

Actions of your 'religion' have spoken. The truth of this fact matters not one whit whether I comment on it or not.


52 posted on 02/10/2005 9:14:27 PM PST by The Red Zone
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To: general_re

Actions of your 'religion' have spoken. The truth of this fact depends not one whit on whether I comment on it or not.


53 posted on 02/10/2005 9:15:09 PM PST by The Red Zone
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To: Right Wing Professor

And in that you are totally wrong


54 posted on 02/10/2005 9:16:29 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Secularization of America is happening)
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To: The Red Zone
Actions of your 'religion' have spoken.

My religion? What religion would that be, I wonder? More importantly, does that crystal ball give you anything useful, like next week's lotto numbers?

The truth of this fact depends not one whit on whether I comment on it or not.

LOL. Well, I certainly can't make you speak. Or think for that matter, but that should be obvious by now ;)

55 posted on 02/10/2005 9:29:01 PM PST by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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To: RaceBannon

"If he thinks that only the Christians are the militant"

The guy didn't say that, at least not in the article. That's someone putting words in his mouth.


56 posted on 02/10/2005 9:52:11 PM PST by Smartaleck (Tom Delay TX: (Dems have no plan, no agenda, no solutions.))
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To: general_re
Analysis Bingo...
57 posted on 02/10/2005 9:57:00 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been ok'ed me to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: hosepipe

#31 Analysis Bingo...

Bingo BTT


58 posted on 02/10/2005 10:04:08 PM PST by Smartaleck (Tom Delay TX: (Dems have no plan, no agenda, no solutions.))
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To: Soul Seeker
I don't believe in evolution.

Evolution is science. It doesn't matter whether you "believe" in it or not.

59 posted on 02/11/2005 3:10:47 AM PST by shuckmaster
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To: PatrickHenry

The state of scientific schooling in our public schools is terrible. We're dooming ourselves to second-tier nation status.


60 posted on 02/11/2005 3:27:56 AM PST by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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