Did George Bush Lie About America Being Founded on Christian Principles?

American Vision ^ | Feb. 9, 2005 | Gary DeMar

[PresbyRev]

“The lesson the President has learned best—and certainly the one that has been the most useful to him—is the axiom that if you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it. One of his Administration’s current favorites is the whopper about America having been founded on Christian principles. Our nation was founded not on Christian principles but on Enlightenment ones. God only entered the picture as a very minor player, and Jesus Christ was conspicuously absent.” Thus begins an article by Brooke Allen that was posted on the website of “The Nation” on February 3, 2005.1 It’s obvious that Allen has not...

[orionblamblam]

> If America was not founded as a Cristian nation, why then are such a vast number of city names Cristian based?

Because most Americans are and have been Christian. Nevertheless, the Constitution is quite silent on the whole Christianity thing. The First Amenment stands in stark opposition to the First Commandment.

The US was not founded as a Christian nation, as an atheist nation, or as any type of nation WRT religion. It was founded as an Enlightened nation, with the government deriving it's power from the governed. The United States was founded with a reverence for Democracy, a pagan Greek concept originally; to see the Biblical view of Democracy, read Numbers 16: 2-49, where God wipes out 15,000 Israelites because 250 of them wanted democratic representation.

[papertyger]

America and Zion both have their "holocaust deniers."

[EagleUSA]

True leftists...of the socialist kind are their own religion.
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They worship only themselves and their own aquisition of power and control. Like all socialists, that is the end game -- the people and the country exist only to serve the socialist government leaders.

[GarySpFc]

George Bush did not lie. I am sure he believed what he said. He was just wrong.

I could provide over 1,000 examples as evidence Bush did not lie. As an example all 50 preambles in our state constitutions mention God.

[Blessed]

>The US was not founded as a Christian nation, as an atheist nation, or as any type of nation WRT religion. It was founded as an Enlightened nation, with the government deriving it's power from the governed.<

Read this article and some real history and you will find your position easily refuted.The governed only have power to consent to be governed because of the inalienable rights given them by God.This was established in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitutions of the various states.

[GarySpFc]

Ping!

[Psycho_Bunny]

One of the fundamental tenants of our government, not existing in any major government before ours, was not only born of the bible but ascribed as a quote of Jesus Christ:  Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's.  Render unto God that which is God's.

Ironically, it's this valley between government and religion that makes ours one of the most religious governments in history.

[Dahoser]

US was not founded as a Christian nation, as an atheist nation, or as any type of nation WRT religion.

Founded on Christian principles and founded as a Christian nation are not the same thing.

[SoFloFreeper]

Did you guys even read the article?? Gary DeMar starts the article with a quote by someone he DISAGREES with...DeMar is NOT a godless man.

[Borges]

We're a Juedo-Christian nation with a secular goverment.

[Monti Cello]

"Reading, reflection and time have convinced me that the interests of society require the observation of those moral precepts only in which all religions agree (for all forbid us to murder, steal, plunder, or bear false witness), and that we should not intermeddle with the particular dogmas in which all religions differ, and which are totally unconnected with morality." --Thomas Jefferson to James Fishback, 1809

[stevio]

I live in eastern Pensylvania, near Bethlehem, Emmaus, Nazareth, Bath, etc..

[azhenfud]

"It’s obvious that Allen has not done a thorough study of American history as it relates to its founding documents. There is much more to America’s founding than the Constitution. America was not born in 1877 or even in 1776. The Constitution did not create America, America created the Constitution. More specifically, the states created the national government. The states (colonial governments) were a reality long before the Constitution was conceived, and there is no question about their being founded on Christian principles."

Pretty much a thorough dissing of Allen.

[r9etb]

The US was not founded as a Christian nation, as an atheist nation, or as any type of nation WRT religion.

Nobody said "Christian nation." The word was "principles," and that is undoubtedly correct.

Many of the colonies were founded on explicitly Christian grounds, however -- Massachusetts (Puritans), Pennsylvania (Quakers), Maryland (Catholic), Rhode Island (Non-conformist), and Connecticut (Puritan). The remaining colonies had very strong Church of England ties, and the Founders were all religious men.

The First Amendment Establishment clause was not anti-religious; indeed, it was precisely the opposite. The aforementioned colonies were founded as a means to escape the oppression of the state religion of England. Freedom to exercise Christian worship was the primary driver for putting the Establishment clause into the Constitution.

[EagleUSA]

Did you guys even read the article??
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Yes, but my response really goes to the title.

[stevio]

Founded on Christian principles and founded as a Christian nation are not the same thing.

I meant to say founded on Cristian principles.

[agsloss]

Read "The Light and The Glory" by Peter Marshall. It is well-researched with solid citations to legitimate historical sources. America was clearly established as a government on Christian principles.

[sdpatriot]

the only thing more amazing then the ignorance of the author of this article, is the follow up ignorance of some posting here on this thread. publik skool is getting the job done by actually re-writing history. chalk another one up for marxism.

[Lekker 1]

those moral precepts only in which all religions agree (for all forbid us to murder, steal, plunder, or bear false witness..

Apparently, Jefferson never heard of Islam.

[agsloss]

Salem, Providence....