Posted on 02/09/2005 3:23:08 PM PST by So Cal Rocket
The answer to your questions is in the bill.
It's always been presumed that gun-banners wanted a National ID card in order to enforce almost hidden, gradual encroachments against gun ownership by requiring gun shops to accept only national ID's (which could be denied, confiscated, or marked as ineligible on flimsy pretexts based upon whichever Party was in power at the moment).
It's also generally considered un-American to give federal agents the power to demand ID from law-abiding citizens ("Your papers, please").
Thanks, but it *was* my error.
I back him, but I do NOT like the notion of a national ID card, either. My concern is about what this opens the door for down the road.
You and I agree on this topic. I see the national ID or networked state IDs as very troubling. Down the road is the key. The govnerment never gives back power. I continues to amass it. This is just a stepping stone to total control IMO.
A drivers license is NOT just a drivers license. It is the most accepted form of identification in this or any country. It is your identity. Your picture to collaberate the Social Security Number on the card.
Q: Can you buy beer or a pack of cigarrettes without a license? Can you get into a club without a license? Rent a car or a carpet cleaner? Write a check? Visit a doctor or a dentist? You cannot rent a hotel room, or take a blood test without a drivers license
A: You're not supposed to. In most cases, the establishment can get hefty fines from the government if they don't ask you to produce PROPER identification. The status quo is a DRIVERS LICENSE.
Well, it's happening - and conservatives are being suckered into going along on claims that it will stop illegal immgiration. It won't. People will eventually find a way around this.
I would prefer an out-and-out amnesty (as opposed to the President's plan) to this first step to a national ID card, and I believe those who bought into Michelle Malkin's fear-mongering and who fought the President on this issue deserve some of the blame for this bill even seeing the light of day.
I hope you don't mind, but I'm going to hope this gets filibustered in the Senate.
I do mind, but that's what make life interesting.
Could you tell me what volume of illegal immigration per year might constitute an invasion? Would you ever agree that it is an invasion?
1 million?
3 million?
5 million?
10 million?
20 million?
No airport travel,no FDIC bank accounts,no FHA mortgages,no Medicare,no Medicaid,etc.etc.
You're not addressing the issue.
What level of encroachment on civil liberites is an acceptable tradeoff to stop this supposed "invasion" (I just do not think that maids, nannies, honor students, construction workers, and gardeners and janitors, among others are remotely comparable to an invasion force)? How much liberty is worth trading for the government's promise that it will stop the "invasion"?
Do you mind telling me that?
When you answer my question, I'll answer yours.
What I like about you OBL trolls, is that you won't carry on a discussion. You avoid answering questions because you know you're dead wrong. I'm not playing that game.
Answer up!
Yes.
If the President is changing his tune on immigration reform, he still has a long long way to go to convince this conservative he is serious about reversing the status quo policy of the federal government.
I hope the government does try to take our guns away. Perhaps then "the people" will decide they have had enough of the bloated monstrosity we now call a government, we can revolt, and return our government to what it was meant to be.
Fear of law suits for profiling is changing this,they are carding seasoned citizens nowadays.
Wow, this will stop terrorists from taking advantage of our asylum laws. What about the ones that just want to cross our porous borders, kill Americans and leave?
How does this deter gang-bangers, drug-smugglers, murderers, car thieves, assassins, hit-men, foreign agents and members of foreign criminal organizations i.e., the Russian Mafia, Yakuza or the Chinese Triads?
Bush's antics in office are as insulting to the intelligence of the American people as anything the Clintons ever did.
Couldn't have said it better myself! Blackbird.
Are you serious?
Wonder how long before false "national ID cards" flood the market.
All states issue them (DMV or Sec of State office) and IMHO its a good idea for everyone to have them - yes even if you have a DL. After all, how many times a week, or month, is one asked for their DL when cashing a check and such, and you're pulling your DL in and out of your wallet. A state issued ID eliminates this and the chance of leaving your DL on some counter. Then there's those who give their DL up as bond for a moving violation and are then left WITHOUT a photo ID until the court date, again the state ID comes to the rescue.
Okay, that's all, gotta go. Have a nice day :-)
"OMG, what will the Bush-Bashers complain about NOW???"
....a serious lack of common sense and testicular fortitude.
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