Woman who killed baby ordered sterilized

Atlanta Journal ^ | 02/09/05 | Tom Opdyke

[Kennesaw]

Woman who killed baby ordered sterilized

Published on: 02/09/05 A Fulton County judge has ordered sterilization for a woman who killed her 5-week-old daughter.

Superior Court Judge Rowland Barnes said Carisa Ashe, 34, has 90 days to have the tubal ligation that would prevent her from conceiving.

Ashe had been charged with murder in the Dec. 16, 1998, death of Destiny Ashe. An autopsy indicated Destiny had been shaken and hit so badly her brain swelled and hemorrhaged.

After two days of trial on the murder charge, Ashe pleaded guilty Tuesday to voluntary manslaughter, according to the district attorney's office.

Barnes gave Ashe five years on probation and said she must have a tubal ligation within 90 days or prosecutors can reinstate the murder charge.

[tfecw]

Ahh good reply. I like this part
No, I'm not. That's not the government's place--and the judiciary, especially, should not be issuing orders to sterilize someone. People have a right to reproduce. They do not have a right to kill or abuse their offspring. Can't the government punish them for the latter without taking away the former?

that's a good way of putting it. I still think its a shaky line between the government deciding the just penalty is death and them saying changing it to sterilization. But i don't agree that sterilization is a "just" penalty. I guess i was more a fan of the humiliation factor. Just because a child killer can't make her own kids to kill, doesn't mean that we don't have a child killer running around Atlanta

[hellinahandcart]

You're right. You don't see it.

And I can't help you if you keep trying to convince yourself that babies are better off being aborted as fetuses than beaten to death as infants, as if one or the other must be chosen.

Let's get right down to it---abortion is legal and this woman didn't get one, not at two weeks, two months, or six months. She had the baby, and she kept the baby. Then she killed it. I say the baby should never have been killed, not that it should never have been born in the first place.

[peacebaby]

I'm going to concede to your statement that abortions are not performed prior to 6 weeks, and I still say a fetus doesn't feel pain at 6 weeks, and your science hasn't proved it.

But this really isn't the issue of the thread, the issue is sterilization - and government sterilization at that. Can we move on?

[FreedomHasACost]

And my baby suffered in her last minutes too but it wasn't my fault or hers. Should I have aborted at a few weeks to save her the potential pain that comes with living???

[sgtbono2002]

I seem to remember a woman who killed 3 or 4 of her kids, some watched while she killed others. she was convicted and given the death penalty then they turned it all around and she got nothing. Post partem depression or some such crap. This woman is black and she is in the south, believe me there aint gonna be any tube tying.They just havent gotten themselves together yet. they will. She will be pregnant again inside a year.

[peacebaby]

"babies are better off being aborted as fetuses than beaten to death as infants, as if one or the other must be chosen. J"

So, living breathing babies are better off being beat to death rather than aborted in a first trimester when the fetus feels no pain.

Hmmmmm.

I hate these arguments. They are so unpleasant. Let's get on to the subject of the thread, please.

[hellinahandcart]

So, living breathing babies are better off being beat to death rather than aborted in a first trimester when the fetus feels no pain. Hmmmmm.

But she didn't abort, peacebaby. Even though she could have, if she had wanted to. You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube.

And I am just never going to agree that a murdered baby would have been better off aborted. That's not a morally defensible position.

I hate these arguments. They are so unpleasant.

Then why'd you jump in? Especially to defend some trollish dingbat who insinuates that the whole thing happened because the mother was somehow prevented access to any information about her "options"? Yeesh.

Don't worry, we don't have to talk about it anymore. Just remember what I said about the ton of bricks.

[hellinahandcart]

What makes you think the woman was poor?

What makes you think this was an unwanted pregnancy?

[MRMEAN]

It's hardly Constitutional to order someone sterilized.

Actually, the SCOTUS has ruled that it is Constitutional:

On appeal, the U.S. Supreme Court in the landmark case Buck v. Bell (1927), ruled 8-1 to uphold the sterilization of Ms. Buck on the grounds she was a "deficient" mother. Chief Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr., an adherent of eugenics, declared "Three generations of imbeciles are enough."

[jwalsh07]

Barnes gave Ashe five years on probation and said she must have a tubal ligation within 90 days or prosecutors can reinstate the murder charge.

The judge should be ordered to have a cranial ligation.

[trisham]

Again, if she has intentionally murdered someone, execute her. Don't multilate her and keep her around for your amusement.

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Ouch. Is that what you really think?

[trisham]

That 5 week old baby suffered great pain! A two or three week fetus doesn't suffer pain during an abortion.

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Isn't it possible to believe that both suffer pain?

[peacebaby]

sorry...am home now. already forgotten about those tons of bricks.

Going to visit with my girls now.

Peace.

[peacebaby]

and was Maryivf a troll? I didn't know.

[shaggy eel]

,,, what use is death row? This woman needs to be on it to experience equal rights, as applied to other murderers. What a lame sentence that judge gave out.

[hellinahandcart]

and was Maryivf a troll? I didn't know.

Guess you missed her #88, before it disappeared. It was quite trollish.

[hellinahandcart]

Actually I thought her first post was trollish, and passive-racist as well.

But it's gone too.

[nmh]

Good!

She earned sterilization.

[muir_redwoods]

It's perfectly legal for the Judge to offer her a deal, jail or sterilization