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As one Marine put it, this was the perfect war. "They want to die, and we want to kill them."
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Posted on 02/09/2005 12:29:15 PM PST by InfantryMarine

Distinctions of War

General Mattis's mistake

There is an old adage that says "never miss an opportunity to shut up." I'm guessing that Marine Lieutenant General James Mattis wishes he'd taken this advice last week. As everyone knows by now Gen. Mattis, speaking on February 1 in San Diego as a panel member at a meeting of Armed Forces Communications and Electronics Association, said:

Actually, it's a lot of fun to fight. You know, it's a hell of a hoot. ... It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right upfront with you, I like brawling...You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil. You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them. According to a report in the Washington Times, "his comments evoked laughter and applause from the audience."

Of course his, comments also evoked criticism from many of the usual suspects. For instance the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) called on the Pentagon to discipline Gen. Mattis for the remarks. CAIR's council's executive director, Nihad Awad said, "We do not need generals who treat the grim business of war as a sporting event. These disturbing remarks are indicative of an apparent indifference to the value of human life."

Knowing Gen. Mattis's record, I disagree with such characterizations - but that's because I know his record. Unfortunately, the thrust of the criticism by CAIR and others is, alas, correct. The context of the comments makes clear that Gen. Mattis was having some fun and playing to his audience. My criticism of Gen. Mattis is that he forgot that he wasn't trying to inspire his Marines but was instead addressing a civilian group with press present. We wouldn't want the ladies of the press getting a case of the vapors, now, would we? In addition, anyone who doesn't know Gen. Mattis's record, or who doesn't care about it, can use his comments to paint the Marines as, in the infamous characterization of an assistant secretary of the Army during the Clinton administration, "extremists" out of step with liberal society.

But those who would use Gen. Mattis's words to defame him or - most especially - the Marine Corps owe it to themselves to examine his record as a combat leader in Afghanistan, where he served as a commander of the Naval Task Force that seized an advanced airbase at the opening of that campaign; and Iraq, where he commanded the storied 1st Marine Division during the march up to Baghdad. The fact is that Gen. Mattis is probably the finest Marine combat leader since the legendary Chesty Puller. I have never met a Marine who served with Gen. Mattis who had anything less than the highest regard for him. Anyone who has seen him knows he doesn't "look" like a Marine but he sure knows how to act like one. And acting like a Marine makes room for such principles of restraint in war as chivalry (defend the weak and the innocent) and proportionality (use only the force necessary to achieve the objective). For the most part, observers agree that the Marines of Gen. Mattis's division treated surrendering Iraqi humanely - the way they are supposed to be treated.

Here is the "message to all hands" that then-Major General Mattis issued to his troops as they prepared to enter Iraq in March 2003:

For decades, Saddam Hussein has tortured, imprisoned, raped and murdered the Iraqi people; invaded neighboring countries without provocation; and threatened the world with weapons of mass destruction. The time has come to end his reign of terror. On your young shoulders rest the hopes of mankind.

When I give you the word, together we will cross the Line of Departure, close with those forces that choose to fight, and destroy them. Our fight is not with the Iraqi people, nor is it with members of the Iraqi army who choose to surrender. While we will move swiftly and aggressively against those who resist, we will treat all others with decency, demonstrating chivalry and soldierly compassion for people who have endured a lifetime under Saddam's oppression. Chemical attacks, treachery, and the use of the innocent as human shields can be expected, as can unethical tactics. Take it all in stride. Be the hunter, not the hunted: never allow your unit to be caught with its guard down. Use good judgment and act in the best interest of our Nation. "You are part of the world's most feared and trusted force. Engage your brain before you engage your weapon. Share your courage with each other as we enter the uncertain terrain north of the Line of Departure. Keep faith with your comrades on your left and right and Marine Air overhead. Fight with a happy heart and strong spirit.

For the mission's sake, our country's sake, and the sake of the men who carried the Division's colors in past battles - who fought for life and never lost their nerve - carry out you mission and keep your honor clean. Demonstrate to the world that there is 'No Better Friend, No Worse Enemy' than a U.S. Marine.

J.N. Mattis

Major General, US Marines

Commanding

Note the admonition to "engage your brain before you engage your weapon." This is not the instruction of a man who looks forward to indiscriminate killing. For the most part, his young Marines responded admirably, despite the likelihood that the enemy would take advantage of the Marines' restraint.

But what does one make of his charge to "fight with a happy heart?" Doesn't this suggest, as CAIR claims, that Gen. Mattis and his Marines see the "grim business of war as a sporting event?" In fact, Gen. Mattis was seeking to stir the martial soul of his Marines by invoking the spirit of the St. Crispin's Day speech that Shakespeare's King Henry delivers to his soldiers before the battle of Agincourt:

We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;

For he to-day that sheds his blood with me

Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,

This day shall gentle his condition;

And gentlemen in England now-a-bed

Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here,

And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks

That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.

And like Henry V, Gen. Mattis always led from the front. During the march up to Baghdad, Mattis had prepared his command well and it responded to his style of leadership.

There is something about Gen. Mattis's remarks that most commentators have missed. He was not saying it is "a hoot" to kill everyone, but those kinds of people who, as they say in Texas, "needed killin'." Ask yourself this question: If you came face to face with Osama bin Laden or Abu Musab al- Zarqawi, you might smile as you put a round though his head? Be honest. I would.

The Marines that Gen. Mattis led on the road to Baghdad made the sort of distinctions that their commanding general directed them to make. They encountered Iraqi soldiers of all kinds: soldiers of regular units, some of whom fought and some of whom didn't; militia, who preferred not to fight but sometimes did because they were intimidated by Saddam's fedayeen; and foreign jihadis.

The jihadis asked no quarter and the Marines gave them none. According to The March Up: Taking Baghdad with the 1st Marine Division by "Bing" West and Major General Ray "E-tool" Smith, USMC (ret), The Marines knew the difference between these jihad fighters and the militia. Consequently the Marines shot them in the ditches and in the field. They threw grenades into the bulrushes and shot the fighters when they ran out. They threw grenades into the drainage pipes running under the road... A few of the foreign fighters surrendered, but most did not - they had come to Iraq to die, and die they would. As one Marine put it, this was the perfect war. "They want to die, and we want to kill them." This is a distinction we once made without compunction: between those who are entitled to the rights of legitimate combatants and those who are not. This distinction was first made by the Romans and subsequently incorporated into international law by way of medieval European jurisprudence. As the eminent military historian, Sir Michael Howard, wrote in right after 9/11, the Romans distinguished between bellum, war against legitimus hostis, a legitimate enemy, and guerra, war against latrunculi - pirates, robbers, brigands, and outlaws - "the common enemies of mankind." The former, bellum, became the standard for interstate conflict. It is here for instance that the Geneva Conventions were meant to apply. They do not apply to the latter, Guerra - indeed, punishment for latrunculi traditionally has been summary execution. While not employing the term, many legal experts agree that al Qaeda fighters are latrunculi - hardly distinguishable by their actions from pirates and the like. Who knows what some silly judge might rule in the future, but at least so far, no terrorist organization has been deemed a combatant under the laws of armed conflict.

In retrospect, Gen. Mattis's publicized comments were imprudent. But in his soldier's way, he was making a necessary distinction that many in the press or the courts are not, e.g. those who hold that terrorist detainees are entitled to prisoner-of-war status and the rights put forth in the Geneva Conventions. Nonetheless, we must acknowledge that Gen. Mattis committed a "gaffe" - he blurted out something of the truth.

- Mackubin Thomas Owens is an associate dean of academics and professor of national-security affairs at the Naval War College in Newport, R.I. He led a Marine rifle platoon in Vietnam in 1968-69.


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To: Kimmers

Your son will be well-led regardless. I know two Lt. Generals and an Assistant Commandant. They are all great leaders who care about their Marines and are dedicated to the mission. They will never let their Marines down.


21 posted on 02/09/2005 12:45:38 PM PST by clintonh8r
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To: 45Auto; InfantryMarine

Please, guys, no more Patton quotes. They only underscore how pussified we've become as a nation. It's so depressing.


22 posted on 02/09/2005 12:46:29 PM PST by kevao
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To: InfantryMarine

Only those who think we should be fighting a more sensitive War on Terrorism have concerns about the General's comments.

The rest of us agree with the General.

[Quiz: Who wanted us to fight a more sensitive War on Terrorism? (insert Final Jeopardy theme) ]


23 posted on 02/09/2005 12:47:11 PM PST by TomGuy (America: Best friend or worst enemy. Choose wisely.)
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To: RetiredArmy

Isn't that a Gen Geo Patton comment? At least it was in the movie.


24 posted on 02/09/2005 12:47:41 PM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys-Reagan and Bush)
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To: InfantryMarine

CAIR's council's executive director, Nihad Awad said, "We do not need generals who treat the grim business of war as a sporting event.

Hey Niwad, what's with this "we" $hit?


25 posted on 02/09/2005 12:47:55 PM PST by cweese (Hook 'em Horns!!!)
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To: Kimmers
I disagree, I think we should effeminate him.

Give him counseling and encourage him to share his feelings

and consider the feelings of Radical Islamic Extremists.

Don't you see, he just isn't Sensitive enough!

I think he needs a day out with the Fab 5 from Queer Eye for

the Straight Guy.
26 posted on 02/09/2005 12:48:16 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell (Forgive Russia, Ignore Germany, Punish France - Condoleezza Rice)
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To: TomGuy

HOO-AHH


27 posted on 02/09/2005 12:48:25 PM PST by LYSandra
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To: Baynative

When I first joined the Army, they used to sell T-shirts at the PX, with the following catchy phrases:

"Nuke 'em 'til they glow, then shoot them in the dark"
"Kill them all, let God sort them out"

Jeez, I miss those days.


28 posted on 02/09/2005 12:48:55 PM PST by SAMS (Army wife & Marine Mom)
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To: InfantryMarine

We need military leaders who can take orders and who can kill more of the enemy than can kill us. Patton had it right...and the leftwingnuts who are wringing their hands over the general's comments can just shut their mouths as far as I'm concerned.


29 posted on 02/09/2005 12:52:17 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat (I'm so glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: clintonh8r

Reading this article reveals that the strategy to take the war to their land as opposed to fighting it here was indeed the correct strategy. Afterall, not all of them that needed killing could have afforded the airfare!

History will view 43 favorably.


30 posted on 02/09/2005 12:53:27 PM PST by IamConservative (To worry is to misuse your imagination.)
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To: InfantryMarine

With all due respect to your past military service, (rifle platoon leader, Vietnam) there is vast expanse between your achieved position and a Marine General's.
This Marine General, Mattis, is such a breath of fresh air in the PR contaminated atmosphere of this country, you'll have a difficult time finding many true patriots who would even do a double-take at his remarks. (Let alone write a whole column about them).
Don't know what your agenda is, but for what it's worth...
I don't see real Americans trying to placate the CAIR stooges.


31 posted on 02/09/2005 12:54:38 PM PST by yer gonna put yer eye out (Gettin' a PhD (Prettyhard on Democrats) at FR)
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To: thoughtomator

You know the RULES!


32 posted on 02/09/2005 12:56:08 PM PST by yer gonna put yer eye out (Gettin' a PhD (Prettyhard on Democrats) at FR)
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To: Graycliff

=0)


33 posted on 02/09/2005 12:57:15 PM PST by highlandbreeze
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To: LauraleeBraswell
What was I thinking....we all want metro sexuals out there fighting our battles...talk to the enemy, share those feelings..understand their hatred... next,they will have to start packing nail care kits in their back packs right next to their body lotions...."Shine those nail so you can see your face in them soldier"
34 posted on 02/09/2005 12:57:18 PM PST by Kimmers
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To: yldstrk

It may have been, but my CO said it in 1970 to us. The Patton movie was like a year or two or three later wasn't it? Anyway, he was a West Pointer, so he might have first heard it there and used it on we young dumb trainees!


35 posted on 02/09/2005 12:57:32 PM PST by RetiredArmy (America will NEVER be free as long as we have Democrats.)
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To: InfantryMarine
He will neither be the first or the last Marine to hear the phrase "Outstanding Marine, Lousy Politician". Personally I'd rather be an outstanding Marine.
Outstanding Marine? Yes...out standing in the mud. Out standing in the rain. (Smile) Seriously...and I say this as a retired Marine and former Drill Instructor...I'm willing to bet that when his Marines got wind of his response they were neither shocked or appalled. If anything they experienced a sense of pride and motivation that exceeds my ability to express in writing. I could attempt to explain it to the MSM for 229 years and they still would not get it. These men and women that have earned their eagle, globe and anchor get it and since they are the ones in harms way isn't it their opinion that truly counts? Good job General.
36 posted on 02/09/2005 12:57:54 PM PST by Onyxx (Semper Fi....Do or Die)
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To: SAMS
Back on the Ustafish, following Ronald Reagan's election, the question of the day was "what's flat, black, and glows in the dark?"

The answer, of course was "Iran on January 20th."

38 posted on 02/09/2005 1:02:35 PM PST by SmithL (ex-Boomer Rider)
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To: InfantryMarine
General Mattis is kind and gentle compared to some. I had the honor and privilege to attend my son's graduation from Basic Recon Course last year in Coronado, California. The graduation message was given by a Col.Jeffrey Powers USMC,retired. The Colonel made General Mattis sound like a pacifist. The General and the Colonel are my kind of guys.
Thanks God they are on our side and believe me the Marines are turning out lots more of the same.
39 posted on 02/09/2005 1:06:01 PM PST by Recon Dad
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To: InfantryMarine
I thought the MSM reaction was much ado about nothing.

What would they have to say about BG "Jumping Jimmy" Gavin of the 82nd? Prior to the D-Day jump he gave what was his "Commander's Intent" of the Operations Order (and still holds among paratroopers)-

Move toward the sounds of battle, and once there, kill everything not dressed like you.

Obviously, an unlearned barbarian.

40 posted on 02/09/2005 1:10:33 PM PST by joedelta
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