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National ID Cards Coming Up For A Vote This Week
Gun Owner of America ^ | February 9, 2005 | Larry Pratt

Posted on 02/09/2005 11:36:18 AM PST by kimber

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To: TheRightGuy
undocumented legal citizen

What a concept. Don't mind if I join you, do you?

61 posted on 02/09/2005 3:03:49 PM PST by texastoo (a "has-been" Republican)
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To: All
You know it's getting to the point where the government may as well call a news conference and say, Hello Americans, here's how it's gonna be.
All guns will be taken away. Our populace will not be armed.
There will be no mention of the name God, except in government approved churches. Not everyone believes in God you idiots.
Property rights are here by suspended.We will take care of your needs from here on out. If you don't have it...you don't need it.
All Americans will be issued national ID cards. When someone steps onto American soil, they are an instant American.When the implanted chip is available, you will be directed to the center nearest you for implantation.
Freedom of the press and the internet has been outlawed. When we want to to know something, we will tell you.
Marriage between one man and one woman is obsolete and will no longer be accepted. If a citizen loves their dog, they will be issued a marriage license.

There will be a new tax added to the American paycheck. It is the clean air tax. You will be charged for the air you breathe.

Laugh, scoff, deride, orwellian? Time will tell.

62 posted on 02/09/2005 3:07:45 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: pbrown

I scoff. The country is becoming more conservative, not less.


63 posted on 02/09/2005 3:37:07 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

In some way's I'd agree with you. I'm not optimistic about what's taking place at the federal level. I know some things look pretty good. There are other things that don't look good at all.

Open borders...
Massive spending...
Massive increases in the Department of Education Budget...
Massive new programs promising even more services to special interest groups...
More and more oppressive security...

While we and some others talk a good game, it's what is being instituted that will haunt us for decades to come. I wish I were as optimistic as you are, but there are dark clouds on the horizon.


64 posted on 02/09/2005 3:51:49 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Our borders have never been closed in our history, and I'd argue that it's an impossible task for anyone but an island country. I'd certainly agree that unguarded borders are a much bigger problem than it used to be, but that's not a conservative or liberal position. It's just a fact.

The government will always continue to spend more, if for no reason that it has more citizens every year to spend it on. I am uncomfortable with the increase of growth in spending, and I wish we hadn't added increased benefits to medicare and passed a preposterous farm subsidy bill. Bush's new budget proposal looks far better, especially in regard to the latter.

The DOE budget is also troubling, in two regards. It's a lot more money, and if money solved the problem, California would have the best test scores in the nation. In fact, they're pathetic.

The only place I find security oppressive is at our airports. It's absurd. I don't notice it anywhere else.

I think the nation is becoming more conservative, yet I think the measures we're taking during the Islamic Jihad for our protection are making a lot of conservatives nervous.

65 posted on 02/09/2005 4:04:04 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

You and I will disagree about our borders. I understand. I doubt we could stop everyone, but 25,000 is far better than 1-3 million. What is taking place now isn't right.

I pretty much agree with the rest of your comments, with one caviot.

Government never releases power. It continues to accumulate power. This is like a group tug-o-war, where one side has a place to tie off, the other having to expend energy every moment.

When the other side gets tired, the group with the tie off takes another big tug, and ties off again. They other side wears themselves out, and the process repeats until the side with the tie off wins.

The government is setting up the foundations for some massive problems later on. I do not like what I see with regard to a national ID or networked state IDs.

Everyone can sign on to this if they like. I do believe this is the one key to pulling together a number of related problems regarding abuse of power. I'm not going to convince anyone, but that's my take on it. And that's why I say some of the things I do about conservatism and what's down the road.


66 posted on 02/09/2005 7:07:37 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: Joe Brower

No ID card of any type will stop a terrorists. The only thing that stops terrorists will be militarizing the border and killing the terrorists before they can act, and keeping our 2nd Amendment rights.


67 posted on 02/09/2005 8:28:16 PM PST by Paul_Denton (The UN is UN-American! Get the UN out of the US and US out of the UN!)
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To: Marysecretary

They are already doing that. While the VeriChip is "only" for medical purposes, it is no doubt the leftists have gotten some nasty ideas.


68 posted on 02/09/2005 8:38:08 PM PST by Paul_Denton (The UN is UN-American! Get the UN out of the US and US out of the UN!)
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To: Bald Eagle777
There's nothing like giving up liberty for some temporary security.

Somthing I would never do. My security is the 2nd Amendment.

69 posted on 02/09/2005 8:39:36 PM PST by Paul_Denton (The UN is UN-American! Get the UN out of the US and US out of the UN!)
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To: MikeinIraq

Well Its not out fault. I and sdeveral others here have been calling for MILITARIZING THE BORDER. Not this ID crap.


70 posted on 02/09/2005 8:41:14 PM PST by Paul_Denton (The UN is UN-American! Get the UN out of the US and US out of the UN!)
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To: maine-iac7

There's no need for a "verification slip" when there's Verichip! Constant 24/7 monitoring, plus all your data.

What's there to lose? .....


71 posted on 02/10/2005 8:45:27 AM PST by Bald Eagle777 (The Chinese military is the opposition force. Traitors at home aid and abet them.)
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To: Paul_Denton

Bulls-eye, you nailed it. Excellent assessment.


72 posted on 02/10/2005 8:53:12 AM PST by Bald Eagle777 (The Chinese military is the opposition force. Traitors at home aid and abet them.)
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To: Paul_Denton

I am dismayed that some morons will unquestioningly trade liberty for temporal convenience. These dolts line up like sheep willing to be sheared. Many of these people don't know how to manage significant financial assets, so they foolishly want all the financial, banking, shopping and other data to be managed for them.

These clowns who wish to delegate their own personal authority to manage all facets of their lives adversely impact those who are responsible enough and quite content to manage their own personal paperwork, multiple checking accounts, stock accounts, business transactions, personal real estate, etc etc. We all need to make damn sure that this country is not taken down a totalitarian Soviet path. The problem is that the hordes of irresponsible mindless DUmmies are the ones that will accept all Verichip, bar code, finger, retinal and other scanning, tracking and surveillance technology, hook, line and sinker. Law abiding Citizens do not need to be treated as cattle or as government property or property of someone in the "private sector."

Rock on!
(C)R.K.B.A.

BTW, what gives with having an "EX"-Soviet general advise us on anything? He should not be welcome here... Who invited him to "advise" us on our internal systems? We don't need any advice from Russia or ex-Soviet military personnel.


73 posted on 02/10/2005 9:25:10 AM PST by Bald Eagle777 (The Chinese military is the opposition force. Traitors at home aid and abet them.)
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To: newsgatherer
Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

74 posted on 02/10/2005 11:34:10 AM PST by TERMINATTOR ("I believe in background checks at gun shows or anywhere" - GWB)
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To: TERMINATTOR

There is no way that four prohibts against securing our borders and preventing aliens from voting by having a national id card.


75 posted on 02/10/2005 12:22:51 PM PST by newsgatherer
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To: newsgatherer
Article IV, Section 4:

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened), against domestic Violence.


There is a mandate to secure the borders against invasion. National ID is not necessary for that purpouse, and is contrary to the 4th amendment. If you and the president want to change that legally, a Constitutional amendment is necessary. Daniel Boone and the others at the Alamo, knew how to repell invaders. We WON that war, but Bush is surrendering anyway.
76 posted on 02/10/2005 5:28:10 PM PST by TERMINATTOR ("I believe in background checks at gun shows or anywhere" - GWB)
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To: ActionNewsBill
"I guess it's easier for SOME to stay asleep."

Sorry about getting back to this so late BUT. It isn't SOME, It's MOST ALL. In fact 99% don't get it. Tis the reason they keep it at only two sides playing the middle(sheep). Not a real thing has really changed when control swapped sides. The direction has always remained the same, only the wording changes to keep it going in the same direction by the supposed OTHER side.
77 posted on 02/11/2005 7:06:50 AM PST by OldSgt. (USMC, Nam Vet, HMM-165)
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To: Paul_Denton

I know. 700 Club has had a couple of shows about it. It's scary. I don't trust government to run MY life.


78 posted on 02/11/2005 8:07:06 AM PST by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: evets

LOL. Thanks!


79 posted on 02/11/2005 8:08:26 AM PST by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: EagleUSA

That should be funny but somehow, it's sad.


80 posted on 02/11/2005 8:09:39 AM PST by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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