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DESTROYED EMBRYO DEEMED HUMAN (Chicago, IL Court Ruling)
Chicago Sun Times ^ | 2.5.05 | Steve Patterson

Posted on 02/05/2005 7:55:34 AM PST by gopwinsin04

A frozen embryo destroyed in a Chicago fertility clinic was a human being whose parents are entitled to file a wrongful death lawsuit, a Cook County judge rules Friday.

Attorneys on both sides of the abortion issue said it was the first such ruling they have heard of as the country debates whether stem cells derived from embryos can be used in research and medicine.

Alison Miller and Todd Parrish hoped to conceive a child with help from the Center of Human Reproduction, but the one fertilized egg the couple created was thrown out in error by a clinic worker.

Friday, Judge Jeffrey Lawrence II said 'a pre-embryo is a human being..whether or not it is impanted in its mother's womb' and the couple is entitled to seek the same compensation awarded to other parents whose children are killed. 'Philisophers and theologians may debate,' he wrote, but there is no doubt in the mind of the Illinois legislature when life begins. It begins at conception.'

Coleen Connell, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union in Chicago, said she expected the ruling would be overturned on appeal.

James Costello, who represented the couple said the clinic workers negligence was now at issue goven the ruling. 'The embryo had a unique set of DNA not unlike a child and was just thrown out like a piece of garbage,' he said.

Pro Life Action Leage director Joe Scheidler praised the ruling. 'That is scientifically correct. Life begins at fertilization, not implantation.'

Northwestern Law Professor Dorothy Roberts warned that the ruling may have 'scary' and 'dangerous' implications for the law.

(Excerpt) Read more at suntimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: abortion; embryo; fetalrights; frozenembryo; ivf; prolife; roevwade; ussc
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To: Coleus
"Just because the technology is there doesn't mean that we have to use it."

Just because we CAN doesn't mean we SHOULD.

61 posted on 02/05/2005 5:37:00 PM PST by TAdams8591 (The call you make may be the one that saves Terri's life!!!!!!)
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To: Joe Republc; Coleus

>>>Is this the first time a court has done this??

I don't know. I don't follow all the legal battles on this as closely as I should. I'm more of a peanut gallery rallier for this one.

Coleus, isn't this a first time court ruling? Hence is why we want to make this a precedent?


62 posted on 02/05/2005 5:48:23 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: NYer
Sometimes I think in vitro fertilization is even more horrifying than abortion, in that far less people see the evil in it. When I think of all those little souls frozen on a shelf, being denied birth and baptism it sickens me. How Satan must delight in his accomplishments.
63 posted on 02/05/2005 8:18:10 PM PST by murphE ("I ain't no physicist, but I know what matters." - Popeye)
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To: gopwinsin04

This might indeed be good for a legal precedent I would think.


64 posted on 02/05/2005 9:01:22 PM PST by lainde
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To: davidosborne

Thanks for the ping!


65 posted on 02/05/2005 9:13:55 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: 2nd amendment mama; A2J; Agitate; Alouette; Annie03; aposiopetic; attagirl; axel f; Balto_Boy; ...

ProLife Ping!

If anyone wants on or off my ProLife Ping List, please notify me here or by freepmail.

66 posted on 02/05/2005 9:30:06 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (A woman needs abortion like a fish needs a bicycle.)
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To: Coleus

Reply #61 was one of the lines at the end of the movie, "Jurrasic(SP) Park." Because technology has created so many issues involving embryos, it resonated with me at the time and I never forgot it.


67 posted on 02/05/2005 9:44:10 PM PST by TAdams8591 (The call you make may be the one that saves Terri's life!!!!!!)
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To: gopwinsin04

Oh, my! This ruling just takes my breath away.


68 posted on 02/05/2005 9:50:56 PM PST by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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To: drt1

It's enough that the judge allowed the lawsuit, by upholding the humanity of the child. This is not going to be a case of loss of property or body part of the mother. This is a huge jump in verification of the status of a human, who happened to be an embryo.


69 posted on 02/05/2005 9:56:20 PM PST by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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To: TAdams8591

thanks, it's a good line to remember and true.


70 posted on 02/05/2005 9:58:02 PM PST by Coleus (Oppose Amnesty for Illegal Aliens http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1335643/posts)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

Wow


71 posted on 02/05/2005 10:04:12 PM PST by Jaded (Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. - Mark Twain)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

According to the linked article at the Sun-Times, there were originally 9 embryos and only one was frozen. The article implies that that was the only one that was viable. And there is no explanation as to why there was a delay in implantation.

It's potentially ethically problematic that there were 9, then 8. But, if the other 8 never grew correctly, or died after a few divisions, then there's no ethical dilemma. In that case, they were creating human life for the sake of the children themselves, at least as much as any parent who plans and yearns for a child. So the manipulation, using God-given medical technology (IMHO) was ethical.

That is the key to ethical reproductive technology: respecting each human life for him or herself, even while utilizing high technology to initiate his or her life.


72 posted on 02/05/2005 10:49:45 PM PST by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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To: Lionround

Embryos which are frozen do not require the skills of a neonatal nurse, only a thermostat. That would be a given, no matter which country the parents and child reside in. On the other hand, the tax deduction is an artificial phenomenon, dependent on local laws, not the fact of life and care.


73 posted on 02/05/2005 10:54:08 PM PST by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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To: dirtboy

You have hit the sticking point.

The only difference between the embryos that are frozen but then discarded at the parents' request, is the fact of being wanted.

That is the de facto definition of human life at the current time, as far as abortion law is concerned: does Moma want her child to live? If she doesn't she can kill - or hire someone to do it - him or her up to the point of birth.


74 posted on 02/05/2005 10:58:18 PM PST by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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To: murphE
Sometimes I think in vitro fertilization is even more horrifying than abortion

I recall when the technique was first developed and thinking the Catholic Church was wrong for denying women access to 'modern scientific methods' for achieving the ultimate goal of motherhood. At the time, it seemed 'good'. But, you are absolutely correct and that is why the church ruled it wrong. Pope Paul VI took a lot of heat on this encyclical from catholics and the scientific community; now, we can fully grasp the inspired nature of HUMANAE VITAE

75 posted on 02/06/2005 12:31:17 AM PST by NYer ("The Eastern Churches are the Treasures of the Catholic Church" - Pope John XXIII)
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To: drt1

Not sure how relevant this point is: If they settle before the appeal then doesn't the case end as the embryo is a human? Then there can be no overturning by the leftist appeals judges. It becomes case law. Other jurisdictions can then use this as settled precedent for similar rulings. Maybe then abortion will end not with an all out bang but with a whimper. The left loves to thwart the will of the people through the power of the courts. Maybe this is sweet irony when the rights of the unborn and the majority of Americans are actually supported by the courts.
I pray that this horror finally ends.


76 posted on 02/06/2005 12:44:42 AM PST by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: davidosborne

BTTT!!!!!!


77 posted on 02/06/2005 3:07:53 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: mrs tiggywinkle

We also have friends who had all the embryos implanted. They now are the parents of triplet girls and they doubled their family size. They are staunchley pro-life.


78 posted on 02/06/2005 5:38:03 AM PST by cantfindagoodscreenname
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To: Conservative Goddess

The story is also here with more commentary.

Thanks for the ping.


79 posted on 02/07/2005 7:00:53 PM PST by Badray (This tag line under construction.)
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