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So Much for the Linux Threat
Windows IT Pro ^ | 4 February 2005 | Paul Thurrott

Posted on 02/05/2005 7:02:30 AM PST by ShadowAce

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To: Bush2000
The only accurate measurement of OS market share is hardware volume. Most companies tend to buy their servers and desktops with the OS already installed. The number of organizations that either buy bare metal or pave an already installed OS with another is statistically insignificant by comparison.

Not even close to true. Virtualization and reducing data center footprint is all the rage right now. I run VMWare ESX and have 70 OS instances running on four discrete pieces of hardware. And I'm only getting started. I can easily run the same number of OS instances on 60% of the hardware I have right now.

81 posted on 02/05/2005 1:51:44 PM PST by Doohickey ("This is a hard and dirty war, but when it's over, nothing will ever be too difficult again.”)
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To: ShadowAce
There is no such thing as open-source and there never will be despite all the noble efforts.

We live in a market-driven, capitalistic society, like it or not. The profit motive drives everything, not nobility.
82 posted on 02/05/2005 1:54:25 PM PST by Beckwith (Barbara Boxer is the Wicked Witch of the West . . .)
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To: Southack

Linux has not been a free operating system for enterprise customers for some time. Any company with regulatory requirements can't and won't touch any product they cannot get vendor support on.


83 posted on 02/05/2005 1:55:11 PM PST by Doohickey ("This is a hard and dirty war, but when it's over, nothing will ever be too difficult again.”)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
"but if I'm a Tivo developer and I had my choice of free *old* windows code and free *new* linux code ... why would I choose Win95?"

Because as a professional, profit-oriented firm, you want to leverage existing Windows game and utilities code libraries onto every family's high-definition big-screen TV in every den in America.

Think: Doom, Quake, Age of Empires, and every other old game that still has followers.

...And this doesn't mean that *your* firm puts those games onto TiVo...it simply means that because you selected the right OS, that you get to benefit by association, since those games *already* run on Windows.

As a 3rd party development shop, you want to be on the hot new platform. Well, having popular existing games run on your new platform gives you a substantial head start towards that goal.

That's why you want to go with Windows; not because it may or may not be technically superior, but because the better games already run on it.

This goes back to BetaMax versus VHS: BetaMax was technically superior in picture quality...didn't matter...VHS had more hot movies...so everybody wanted VHS...for the content, not for the superior technology.

84 posted on 02/05/2005 2:36:02 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Doohickey; mhking; Dominic Harr; Lazamataz; Nick Danger
"Linux has not been a free operating system for enterprise customers for some time. Any company with regulatory requirements can't and won't touch any product they cannot get vendor support on."

You're thinking like a computer nerd; Linux's big move has been to quietly take over millions upon millions of TV screens, all while no one in the tech world would label such consumer product displays as "desktops."

TiVo is a Linux box. TiVo watchers don't care IN THE LEAST about regulatory requirements or vendor support. What they care about is that massive high-definition big screen plasma TV display that commands their den's center wall...and they want their digital movie/show/game content displayed on that wall at their command.

So as the computer and TV converge, Linux suddenly and unexpectedly finds itself controlling the most important video screens in millions upon millions of American households.

Already these Linux boxes are connecting with existing home networks. Already these Linux boxes are on the Internet (TiVo downloads software and content updates nightly via phone, DSL, and cable modems).

So step away from your ancient computer for a moment; your computer isn't running a giant plasma high-def TV in your den.

But there is a computer that is running millions of them...wrapped up inside a Linux box and packaged as TiVo.

This is the new revolution. This is *precisely* what Bill Gates predicted...the convergence of TV, computer, and telephone...yet it isn't happening on any of Gates' operating systems.

85 posted on 02/05/2005 2:48:32 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten; Lazamataz; Dominic Harr; HAL9000; Nick Danger; mhking

Because they're stuck with Linux, TiVo developers have to develop for Java right now. For gaming, that's less than ideal.

Had TiVo been able to go with a free Windows 95 OS instead of Linux, then you'd have Age of Empires, Doom, Quake, and most other MicroSoft compatible games on TiVo...as well as very mature, hip code libraries with which to develop your newer games.

So even though TiVo has the right concept and even though it has taken over millions of home TV screens, going the Linux route was less than ideal.

Nonetheless, that's still the wave of the future if MicroSoft refuses to play in the consumer products arena (or pretends that the revolution isn't there...as MS did at the beginning of the Internet revolution).

We've been down this road before, after all.
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86 posted on 02/05/2005 3:13:28 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Bush2000
But, if you want to run Linux in your company as a database server or in some other kind of mission-critical role that demands five 9's of availability, it's not going to have the same kind of track record or reliability as Solaris.

Actually IBM global services will give you the same number of nines on a Linux or a Solaris box. And we have mission critical Databse servers running Linux, we have had no unscheduled outages in a year. I like solaris and for me it is a per situation basis onto which one I would use. If I were to replace a mainframe with a Oracle/J2EE solution I would go with Solaris..

87 posted on 02/05/2005 3:21:00 PM PST by N3WBI3
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To: Southack
Because they're stuck with Linux, TiVo developers have to develop for Java right now.

Surely you don't believe that Java is the only programming language available on linux. It's the only programming language supported by Tivo, and that's a policy decision on their part, to keep third-party app developers in a "sandbox" where they can't get to the bare iron.

That was the problem with Windows 95... those VxDs that did talk to the bare iron, and were responsible for most of the crashes. I can see why Tivo would not want that. They also don't want you messing with the other stuff they have in there, like the thing that spies on you and tells them what you're watching.

This way, the developers get a few tightly-defined services they can call, and that's it. Which is just how Tivo wants it.


88 posted on 02/05/2005 3:44:08 PM PST by Nick Danger (The only way out is through)
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To: Southack
hink: Doom, Quake, Age of Empires, and every other old game that still has followers.

None of which can be played on on the free windows95 code, it would require a total rewrite..

89 posted on 02/05/2005 3:57:58 PM PST by N3WBI3
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To: Southack

Your's is an interesting theory but I can see all sorts of reasons why this never happened. First of all as you point out MS didn't make old Windows 95 code avaailable as Open Source. Secondly, if they had what kind of licensure requirements would they have imposed? None? Somehow I doubt it. Thirdly, what would be the upgrade path? With the linux model life keeps moving forward. With Win95 it would be a technological dead end or it would be whatever Tivo could hack up. Finally, while the gaming angle is intriguing Tivo would never be in a position to be a gaming platform without being very good at their core business. And having linux on their box undoubtedly was a good technological move for their core business - it certainly doesn't seem top have hurt them in any way. For their core business and mission it was probably linux all the way and I bet they aren't sorry. Even if Tivo itself doesn't survive, the name and the concept certainly will and they've had a hell of a good run.


90 posted on 02/05/2005 4:38:18 PM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: dominic7

That's interesting. My experience has been pretty much the exact opposite (with the exception of Solaris). We've found over the years that Windows does not want to be good citizens with other OSes. Of course, like anything else, your mileage will vary.


91 posted on 02/05/2005 5:08:48 PM PST by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: Nick Danger
"Surely you don't believe that Java is the only programming language available on linux. It's the only programming language supported by Tivo, and that's a policy decision on their part, to keep third-party app developers in a "sandbox" where they can't get to the bare iron."

My point was more along the lines of a perfect world...had TiVo been given the choice of Open Source Windows 95 or Open Source Linux, the business decision would have been to have gone with Windows 95; that would have given TiVo Doom, Quake, Age of empires, and other top selling Windows 95 games at the time.

...And it would have put MicroSoft in charge of millions upon millions of giant screen home TV's. Win, win.

Yet that option wasn't available. So today, in the non-perfect world, TiVo game developers are stuck with Java (though granted, TiVo could open that up to C++ and other languages, but that still wouldn't run the old Windows 95 high-selling games).

It also locks MicroSoft out, for the moment, of millions upon millions of giant high-definition home TV screens.

That's lose, lose. TiVo lost the ability to run Windows games out of the box, and MicroSoft lost the OS platform control of home TV's.

So TiVo today hobbles along, barely generating any excitement at all...a mere comodity consumer product on millions of TV's...MicroSoft lost millions upon millions of MS games sales to potential TiVo users, as well as lost the consumer product race to Linux. TiVo lost and MicroSoft lost.

TiVo could have replaced the X-Box and destroyed PlayStation before the X-box was even dreamed up. TiVo could have had top-selling MicroSoft PC games running on millions of TV's across America. Not only would TV watchers have wanted TiVo, but hard-core gamers would have gone for it back then, too...games being a market that is *larger* than the entire global movie market.

It's myopia writ large. TiVo and MicroSoft could have been much, much bigger and much more in control of the next generation OS.

92 posted on 02/05/2005 6:49:47 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: N3WBI3
"None of which can be played on on the free windows95 code, it would require a total rewrite.."

There is no free Windows 95 code...while Doom, Quake, and Age of Empires run quite well, with no re-writes required, on pay Windows 95.

You missed the hypothetical. Had MS donated Windows 95 code into the public domain (or licensed it for free to consumer products developers at the very least), then existing games would have run just fine on TiVo. Didn't happen, though.

93 posted on 02/05/2005 6:52:15 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
"Finally, while the gaming angle is intriguing Tivo would never be in a position to be a gaming platform without being very good at their core business."

Sony doesn't write all of the games for PlayStation, I'd imagine. Letting 3rd party developers make your games has been a proven money maker for all involved...go with the business model that works...which means that TiVo wouldn't have to do it all by itself.

94 posted on 02/05/2005 6:54:20 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: N3WBI3
Actually IBM global services will give you the same number of nines on a Linux or a Solaris box.

Show me any reference from IBM that shows Linux running at 5x9's on any other hardware than exorbitantly priced mainframe hardware.

And we have mission critical Databse servers running Linux, we have had no unscheduled outages in a year.

Linux database servers simply haven't proven their worth yet. In time, possibly. But not yet. No vendor even wants to commit Linux to TPC benchmarks.

I like solaris and for me it is a per situation basis onto which one I would use. If I were to replace a mainframe with a Oracle/J2EE solution I would go with Solaris..

In a mission-critical situation, I'd only go with Solaris. Linux just ain't there yet.

95 posted on 02/05/2005 7:17:16 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: Bush2000
Show me any reference from IBM that shows Linux running at 5x9's on any other hardware than exorbitantly priced mainframe hardware.

Odly enough I am not allowed to post contracts with IBM to an internet post, something about confidentiality. The resot of your post was nothing but opinion..

96 posted on 02/05/2005 8:11:28 PM PST by N3WBI3
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To: Southack

Great tagline! The left's heros always get a pass. Saw a show on the monster this week and sure enough it was the Slimes and SeeBS that was humping Castro even while he was still up in the mountains. Not much is ever new under the sun.


97 posted on 02/05/2005 8:55:13 PM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: N3WBI3
Odly enough I am not allowed to post contracts with IBM to an internet post, something about confidentiality...

Fine. We've merely established that you can't point to a single public reference where IBM promises 5x9's of availability under Linux.
98 posted on 02/05/2005 10:07:04 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: Bush2000
Fine. We've merely established that you can't point to a single public reference where IBM promises 5x9's of availability under Linux.

Try this Google search: site:ibm.com linux "99.999" returns about 483 results.

As you alluded to earlier, the results are for IBM's mainframe-class machines. But the difference between 4x9 and 5x9 availability is less than one hour per year. 4x9 is still an acceptable rate for many mission-critical applications, considering the cost difference.

99 posted on 02/05/2005 11:05:59 PM PST by HAL9000 (Skype me at "FreeRepublic")
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To: dominic7
...and the Linux zealots penchant for tinkering the boxes were a nightmare.

There's your problem. Anyone who likes to tinker needs to get their own box and play around to their heart's content. I've generally found that people who like to tinker with computers have little interest in actually getting them to work. It's a game to them, like a jigsaw puzzle.

100 posted on 02/06/2005 12:07:04 AM PST by Richard Kimball (It was a joke. You know, humor. Like the funny kind. Only different.)
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