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Gun nuts' have no real excuse(gun grabbing weenie barf alert 4 bags minimum)
dailycampus.com ^ | 2 1 05 | Robert Schiering

Posted on 02/02/2005 10:45:23 AM PST by freepatriot32

At first glance, the term "gun nut" would appear to be nothing more than an ad hominem against the more enthusiastic weapon owners of this country. However, as one reads the literature espoused by gun nut organizations, the reasoning behind this term becomes startlingly clear. Gun nuts are called as such because they are incontrovertibly insane.

The gun lobby has adopted the same attitude toward politics as Rush Limbaugh: "Don't confuse me with facts, I've got my mind made up!" Gun nuts are so obsessed with opposing gun control laws that no amount of factual evidence against their position will sway them. Some call this "sticking to your guns." I call it "deliberate stupidity."

The National Rifle Association (NRA) claims that a society that owns guns is a safe society. Throughout the pages of gun magazines are various ads which depict Joe Average wielding a hand cannon, defending his helpless family from a masked intruder who has invaded his home in the dead of night. Ignore for a minute that the probability of encountering a burglar dumb enough to enter your house while you are there is incredibly slim and look at the FBI's study on gun violence. In 1993, of 39,595 firearm-related deaths, only 251 were determined to be justifiable homicide. That is less than 1 percent of all firearm deaths for that year. Furthermore, studies in 1994 found that you are much more likely to be murdered by someone you know, not some masked boogey-man with an eye for your wife's jewelry. Suicides, homicides and accidental deaths far outnumber instances where someone has successfully used a firearm to defend themselves or their loved ones. Either these findings have not reached the NRA, or they are deliberately turning a blind eye to them.

Unrestricted ownership of weapons essentially follows the tenets of the classical theory of criminology. This theory is hardly modern, developing in the late 1700s through the works of Cesare Beccaria and Jeremy Bentham. The core ideas of classical theory are: the decision to commit crime is a rational cost-benefit evaluation and that crime can be prevented through administering certain, severe punishment. Gun nuts believe that if every citizen owned a weapon, potential criminals would be too afraid to commit crimes.

The right wing, not just the gun nuts, has become so enthralled by classical theory that they have completely ignored the mountains of evidence that contradict it. While America fairs better than its developed counterparts around the world in most areas of crime, it tops them all in the category of murder. While you stand a better chance of being robbed in Sydney, Australia than in Los Angeles you are 20 times as likely to be killed in L.A. A rational mugger would prefer to give up and flee should his activity lead to conflict (as murder comes with a much higher cost than mere robbery, while the benefit is relatively minute), but statistics point out that in the U.S., victims that put up a fight are typically killed. This is not rational behavior and all the guns in America haven't changed it.

When the chips are down in the debate on crime, a gun nut will always fall back on the Constitution. Gun nuts love to quote the Second Amendment, or at least they love to quote the second half. In its entirety, the Second Amendment reads, "A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." This does not, in any way, clarify the issue of personal gun ownership. It is vague, leaving one to wonder whether or not gun ownership rights should be extended to the individual without mandatory enrollment in a "well organized militia." Historically, the Supreme Court has ruled that states have the right to enact gun control laws, as was determined by United States v. Cruikshank in 1876. The NRA has conveniently ignored the first half of the Second Amendment, typically printing only the second half. Former Chief Justice Warren Burger denounced the NRA's editing of the Second Amendment as a "fraud."

Owning an arsenal is not a "way of life," it is a mental disorder. It is an unjustifiable paranoia that leads to thousands of unjustified deaths every year. Let's put this in perspective. Annually, about 17,000 people die of illicit drug use (illegal), 0 people die of marijuana use (also illegal), 20,000 people die of sexual behaviors (not illegal, but frowned upon), while some 29,000 die in a firearm related incident, 1 percent of which result in a "bad guy" eating a lead sandwich.

I'm not suggesting that people stop owning weapons or that the NRA disband and start crusading for rights that don't kill anyone, like smoking pot for example. What I want is an end to the lies that the gun nuts want so badly to believe in. I want them to face the fact that they are much more likely to kill their wife and children than defend them. I want them to realize that the only crime wave in this country is in homicide, a crime inextricably linked with firearms. Perhaps when gun nuts stop living in Charlton Heston's movies they will pursue a safer, more reasonable route to gun ownership and use.


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To: G32
Heh, and you did 74 months in prison for some ridiculous amount of pot too? You're pretty crazy, you know that?

Hey, there is also the shoot-out with Mexican Feds (I had to back across the border shot and bleeding on that one), the shoot-out with the shotgun weilding hitman my ex-wife (wife then) and her lover hired and the home invasion I went through.

I have settled down a bit since prison though. My youngest daughter got married and gave birth to my grandson (he is 2 today), my older daughter was injured in Iraq. Have my business. Stand to lose quite a bit now. I have hung up my guns, so to speak.
81 posted on 02/02/2005 12:51:06 PM PST by speed_addiction (Ninja's last words, "Hey guys. Watch me just flip out on that big dude over there!")
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To: freepatriot32

The Daily Campus is a leftwing rag, comparable to the Daily Worker or some such. You wouldn't believe how much crap I see in this paper when I see it.

No worries though, Uconn students only read it to see how the Huskies did and that man-on-the-street questionnair thing to see if their buddies made it.


82 posted on 02/02/2005 12:54:05 PM PST by chudogg (www.chudogg.blogspot.com)
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To: freepatriot32
Gun nuts' have no real excuse(gun grabbing weenie barf alert 4 bags minimum)

Hmmmm...
Re-arrange those words, and...

alert: have no excuse 4 grabbing gun (weenie & nuts' bags); real barf, minimum gun

Nevermind...

83 posted on 02/02/2005 12:59:55 PM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: freepatriot32

To get the true flavor of this, you need to read it out loud like you are holding your breath in and play this sound after every sentence.

http://westwood.fortunecity.com/chanel/771/waterbong.wav


84 posted on 02/02/2005 1:04:02 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: freepatriot32
Robert Schiering


85 posted on 02/02/2005 1:05:24 PM PST by t_skoz ("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
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To: freepatriot32
Furthermore, studies in 1994 found that ***you*** are much more likely to be murdered by someone you know, not some masked boogey-man with an eye for your wife's jewelry.



Actually, this may be (but probably isn't) true for the average murder victim, but I (and most people) are very different from the average murder victim.

I don't live in a bad neighborhood, I don't sell drugs, and I don't associate with criminals. I pick the "someones I know" very carefully, and would hazard that I and most sensible Americans, if murdered, are most likely not to know our killers.

I'd be interested in seeing how this study would come out if limited to murder victims with no criminal record.
86 posted on 02/02/2005 2:11:27 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: freepatriot32

Suicides, homicides and accidental deaths far outnumber instances where someone has successfully used a firearm to defend themselves or their loved ones..



Funny, but the FBI puts the number of defensive gun uses at something about a million a year, while the number of gun deaths is far less (and suicides would find a window to jump out of, anyway.)


87 posted on 02/02/2005 2:13:09 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: t_skoz

ROFL. I can never think of the TV Show CHIPS in the same way after I first saw that picture.


88 posted on 02/02/2005 2:16:30 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("Guilty! Guilty in the first degree....")
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To: retarmy

Does anyone have a problem with registering their firearms and if so, why?



I object because registration is the essential prerequisite for confiscation, which is the essential prerequisite for tyranny and genocide.

If they know that they don't know where the guns are, they know that banning them will be fruitless for their plans.


89 posted on 02/02/2005 2:19:18 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: freepatriot32
The right wing, not just the gun nuts, has become so enthralled by classical theory that they have completely ignored the mountains of evidence that contradict it.

I think the author means the "invisible mountains of evidence", since no one can ever produce it so it can be seen.

90 posted on 02/02/2005 2:21:55 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: speed_addiction

8 years ago a fellow in my town, in driving by his church at night saw teenage white kids selling drugs out of a car to subteen black kids on the church property. The third time he saw it he stopped his car and walked up to the miscreants' car and stuck his .22 revolver in the face of the youth at the wheel. He said that the boys should leave right now and not come back ever again because he would not call the police the next time as that would be too slow. There has been no drug activity on church grounds since then.


91 posted on 02/02/2005 2:27:30 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
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To: speed_addiction

Not that these guys didn't deserve it, but you could have been charged with at least two felonies for burglary and terroristic threatening or assault or whatever your jurisdiction calls threatening to kill or seriously injure someone with a firearm.


92 posted on 02/02/2005 2:28:34 PM PST by TKDietz
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To: freepatriot32

I don't need an excuse, I've got dozens of guns. Actually, I'm simply pro-choice on guns. If you want one, get one. If you don't want one don't get one. Just like an abortion. You think the liberal crazies would understand that.


93 posted on 02/02/2005 2:33:36 PM PST by muir_redwoods
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To: TKDietz
Not that these guys didn't deserve it, but you could have been charged with at least two felonies for burglary and terroristic threatening or assault or whatever your jurisdiction calls threatening to kill or seriously injure someone with a firearm.

The alternative was to see myself as less of a man for not handling my own business. When I stand before the Man in Judgement at the Pearly and my life is played out before me, two things will not ever show up. I never kissed anyone ass and I was never a pussy.

There was a great line in the movie "Open Range" when some store keeper is going over a list of excuses as to why no one was standing up to the cattle baron that ruthlessly ran the town. One of the Cowboys said, "Somethings gnaw on a man worse than dyin'." Well, somethings gnaw on me worse than others.
94 posted on 02/02/2005 3:08:28 PM PST by speed_addiction (Ninja's last words, "Hey guys. Watch me just flip out on that big dude over there!")
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To: speed_addiction

I understand what you are saying. I hear the same type of thing all the time from clients charged with assault, battery, terroristic threatening, that sort of thing. It generally doesn't play well in court.


95 posted on 02/02/2005 3:21:34 PM PST by TKDietz
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To: TKDietz
I understand what you are saying. I hear the same type of thing all the time from clients charged with assault, battery, terroristic threatening, that sort of thing. It generally doesn't play well in court.

I know and it sickens me. Used to be that a man could take it into his own hands to set things right. Of course this was when it was not a sin to be a man like it is now. Matt Dillon, Sergeant Saunders (from the "Combat" series), Josh Randall (played by Steve McQueen Wanted: Dead or Alive) used to be our TV heros. Now men are asking fags how to dress on TV. It used to be a rite of passage to finally grow a set and knock a bully on his ass in school after being tormented endlessly. Now you have the cops called on you for using your crayons to draw a gun. But there is a bright light on the horizon. Our young men will return from Iraq and teach their sons what a man is, so there is still hope.
96 posted on 02/02/2005 3:45:32 PM PST by speed_addiction (Ninja's last words, "Hey guys. Watch me just flip out on that big dude over there!")
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To: freepatriot32
Gun nuts love to quote the Second Amendment, or at least they love to quote the second half. In its entirety, the Second Amendment reads, "A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Certainly a target rich environment in this scribbling.

Interestingly while Robert Schiering excoriates “gun nuts” and the NRA for not paying attention to the nonrestrictive clause at the beginning of the Second Amendment, he seems to have neglected to include the comma after the word “Militia” in the same clause.

No doubt a mistake and simple oversight, but it does seem to happen mainly to people who want to ban guns.

/Sarcasm

97 posted on 02/02/2005 4:02:19 PM PST by RJL
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To: retarmy
retarmy asks: "Does anyone have a problem with registering their firearms and if so, why? "

I even have a problem with the requirement that my firearms have serial numbers. Our Founders would recognize this as an infringement. Why don't you?

98 posted on 02/02/2005 4:10:44 PM PST by William Tell
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To: shellshocked
"only 251 were determined to be justifiable homicide"

Really? I'd like to know where he got that number.

I think he got it here along with every other so called fact in this article

99 posted on 02/02/2005 4:56:30 PM PST by freepatriot32 (Jacques Chirac and Kofi Annan, a pantomime horse in which both men are playing the rear end. M.Steyn)
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To: speed_addiction

Personally I don't think breaking into someone's house and sticking a gun in some guy's face and threatening to kill him because he stole some of your tools makes you a man. I'd say that makes you a criminal and gives the rest of us responsible gun owners a bad name. It's also the type of thing that's liable to get you or some innocent person killed or hurt real bad. But suit yourself.


100 posted on 02/02/2005 5:01:12 PM PST by TKDietz
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