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TERRI SCHINDLER SCHIAVO FEBRUARY DAILY THREAD 2005: TERRI IS OUR VALENTINE!
Free Republic and various sources | December 30, 2004, January 31, 2005 | Florida Voter

Posted on 01/31/2005 9:14:49 PM PST by TAdams8591

*Michael, HAVE A HEART !!!!!For Valentines Day give Terri back to her MOM & DAD, The Schindlers!!!!!!!!*

The Terri Schindler Schiavo Daily Threads are created month to month as we watch local and national news regarding Terri and her family.

Since Terri's supporters are in every time zone, you may see something FIRST. Please share news with us that you don't see here already. Now, why would you want to do that? Terri's Daily Thread for September/October of 2004 was viewed over 15,000 times. Terri's November Daily Thread was viewed over 6,000 times. December's thread is over 3,000 views. January 2005 Daily Thread was a RECORD HIGH!!!!!!! 15, 103 VIEWS!!!!!!

More and more good folks are finding out about Terri and that judicial tyranny would take her life, but for lots and lots of prayer and non-stop lobbying of relatives, friends, clergy, our leaders, the media, a passerby, a cashier - ANYONE who you feel comfortable chatting with.

Folks always want to know how can this be in America or on earth for that matter? Unfortunately, this is really happening to an innocent woman who just celebrated her 41st birthday. She's not the only one but she's the one with devoted parents and siblings who knows what's in Terri's heart. Terri has a strong will to live. That's apparent. It's been 14 years.

Besides, feeding tubes have been around practically since the Civil War. They are not high tech devices. Terri is "not hooked up to machines". Her feeding tube is the diameter of a piece of spaghetti.

Talkin' about Terri is the best way to lobby for her. It is a salespitch to save her life and subsequently, many lives. If you've never sold anything in your life, START NOW. START WITH TERRI.

See Terri's flash movies if you need more information. You can see for yourself that's she's interactive and follows the doctor's instructions.

Visit: http://www.terrisfight.org

NOTE: Terri's December Dailies are noted as a source above. There are lots of important links at the very top of that thread. If you missed Terri's Celebration of Life, you can click on it from there.

AGAIN WE HAVE A NEW RECORD: 15,103 views on the tote board for the Terri Schindler Schiavo January Daily Thread!

The most significant event in Terri's case in January, was the Supreme's Courts refusal to hear Governor Jeb Bush's appeal, after the Florida State Legislature struck down Terri's Law. This once again places Terri's life in extreme jeopardy, though there are other issues regarding her case before the court.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: 3branches; abuse; baird; civilrights; dayincourt; dohscandal; dueprocess; euthanasia; flagcrist; flahouse; flasenate; greer; jebbush; judgegreer; paleopticnerv; right2counsel; schiavo; schindler; starvation; terri; terrischiavo; uscongress
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To: floriduh voter

Stay safe, and watch out for the ones who want to help you!


541 posted on 02/06/2005 7:13:21 PM PST by bjs1779 ("I fed Terri small mouthfuls of Jello, which she swallowed and enjoyed immensely" Cna H.Law 1997)
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To: Wampus SC

"Oh, you're back. (*)The guy with all the wonderful PR skills. Have you donated any of 'em to save Terri yet?"

I remember him now. Thanks for reminding us.


542 posted on 02/06/2005 7:22:00 PM PST by FR_addict
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To: MindBender26
"Unfortunately, the actions of some of them have had the exact opposite effect of that which was desired.

If one disagrees with that statement, then ask yourself, why are we still losing. The answer isn't bad judges or anything like that. Losers say that in every case."

To say that there aren't bad judges in many places, including those in Florida who are working on this case, is ridiculous. Particularly when a case becomes political most judges will make the politically correct ruling or back those who have the greatest politcial connections. I know the hard way, from personal experience.

Judge Greer made the decision to stop feeding Terri (there is NO plug to pull) based solely on hearsay. How pray tell, is that a good decision? How is it that someone who is living with someone else and having children with them (as if they are married), someone who broke the marriage vows, is permitted by law to make decisions about that person. You will find case law as well as statutes that refute your point.

There is evidence that Judge Greer REFUSES to consider, such as the bone scans taken of Terri in 1991 showing her with broken bones ALL OVER her body.

And as far as the video is concerned, as recently as January, Terri's new Female lawyer visited her and was stunned by her alertness and level of awareness. She left Terri's room, enraged that anyone would even dream of putting her to death. And an article was written about her reaction.

There may have been some PR mistakes made in this case, I haven't been involved from the beginning.

But if this case was lost it was lost primarily because of ineffective lawyering and poor judicial decisions.

Where have you been, anyway? Are you a modern day version of Rip Van Winkle??? There has been a progressive problem with activist judges, only interested in promoting their own agenda, for many years in this country. Most conservatives have accepted this reality and are well aware of the situation. Why are you so ignorant about it?

543 posted on 02/06/2005 7:22:09 PM PST by TOUGH STOUGH (If starvation & dehydration are painless, make them the method of preference for Capital Punishment.)
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To: Theodore R.
You're right: everything about the Terri Schiavo case has been a tragedy of errors!

Personally, I don't think he his right, in spite of your opinion.

544 posted on 02/06/2005 7:24:27 PM PST by bjs1779 ("I fed Terri small mouthfuls of Jello, which she swallowed and enjoyed immensely" Cna H.Law 1997)
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To: TOUGH STOUGH

Seems like he only shows up at de-feeding time doesn't it?


545 posted on 02/06/2005 7:26:37 PM PST by bjs1779 ("I fed Terri small mouthfuls of Jello, which she swallowed and enjoyed immensely" Cna H.Law 1997)
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To: floriduh voter
WHY DON'T FLORIDIANS EVER GET TO VOTE ON MEASURES THAT AFFECT LIFE AND DEATH? It's only fair. This euthanasia b.s. is using the back door to invade. The front door is taking it to the people

The disease is spreading - look what's happening in California:


Doctor-assisted suicide on agenda
State Dems plan bill based on Oregon's law


By Steve Geissinger, SACRAMENTO BUREAU


http://www.insidebayarea.com/review/ci_2555755
546 posted on 02/06/2005 7:29:28 PM PST by AnimalLover ((Are there special rules and regulations for the big guys?))
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To: TOUGH STOUGH

It was lost for a number of reasons.

#1. It was an extremely tough, uphill LEGAL case from day one. Do parental rights trump spousal rights? If my wife was sick, and comatose, and my in-laws were Christial Scientists, (but my wife was not), would I want them to be able to require no medical treatment for my wife?

#2. Very poor orignal lawyering. Is better now.

#3. Horrible PR.

Judges are not my prinary concern. They need "fixing," but my primary interest in National Defense.


547 posted on 02/06/2005 7:48:59 PM PST by MindBender26 (Having your own XM177 E2 means never having to say you are sorry......)
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To: bjs1779

It should have been made into an equity case, as you can see from further reading of my post.


548 posted on 02/06/2005 7:50:01 PM PST by MindBender26 (Having your own XM177 E2 means never having to say you are sorry......)
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To: Wampus SC
>Have you donated any of 'em to save Terri yet?

Had you bothered to read my post, you would have the answer to your question.

PS, have spoken to the Lt. Gov., my 4-door-away neighbor about the matter twice. I have not waved pictures of fetuses as 2nd graders, as have some of these idiots,
549 posted on 02/06/2005 7:52:56 PM PST by MindBender26 (Having your own XM177 E2 means never having to say you are sorry......)
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To: MindBender26
It should have been made into an equity case, as you can see from further reading of my post.

I just wanted an answer on your seemingly contradictory comment on public relations before you make me go off on another tangent.

550 posted on 02/06/2005 8:16:31 PM PST by bjs1779 ("I fed Terri small mouthfuls of Jello, which she swallowed and enjoyed immensely" Cna H.Law 1997)
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To: MindBender26
I have not waved pictures of fetuses as 2nd graders, as have some of these idiots

I keep remembering that you have said that all before. At least we have pictures of Terri. Where are yours?

551 posted on 02/06/2005 8:22:27 PM PST by bjs1779 ("I fed Terri small mouthfuls of Jello, which she swallowed and enjoyed immensely" Cna H.Law 1997)
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To: Huntingtonian

I decided to take a quick peek at your posts, to see if you're a troll, or just a smart@$$. I found that you defend john kerry, Sadaam Hussein, socialized medicine, the media when they propagandize against our troops, traitors who reveal classified info to media (as long as it hurts U.S.), and michael moore. You trash President Bush; our troops; Christians; pro-lifers; Catholics; God; Jews; the 2nd, 10th & 14th Amendments; Freepers who point out media bias against our troops; the National Guard; anyone who admits Sadaam had chemical weapons; police; Freepers in general; the Bible; WOT, Chinese food delivery guys; creationists; President Reagan's role in winning the Cold War; gun owners, Abe Lincoln; George Washington; US Imperialism (I didn't know there was such a thing); anyone who doesn't agree Fahrenheit 9/11 was the gospel truth; detaining terrorists; and the right of disabled people to live.

Just a wild guess, but I'm going with troll on this one.


552 posted on 02/06/2005 8:31:17 PM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: bjs1779
When and if Terri dies before her time, some of her supporters will cry "....But we tried so hard."

They should have tried well.

In this case, all that matters is success or failure. So far, her so-called supporters have failed.

Not "done poorly."

Not "had problems."

Failed.

When one's methods fail and you try to continue the same course only more stringently, and expect a different result is insanity.

She could have been saved long ago. Not by me. By some great lawyers, lots of prayer, lots of luck and some good, Tampa-based PR people. One out of four wasn't enough.

Don't be angry at me when I report the reality. Don't shoot the messenger. Fix the problem, if there is time.
553 posted on 02/06/2005 8:33:38 PM PST by MindBender26 (Having your own XM177 E2 means never having to say you are sorry......)
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To: Chocolate Rose
G'Night Bump for Terri.


554 posted on 02/06/2005 9:50:16 PM PST by Chocolate Rose
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To: Chocolate Rose

Bump with a prayer!


555 posted on 02/06/2005 10:00:17 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: MindBender26
I have not waved pictures of fetuses as 2nd graders, as have some of these idiots,

Who did that? Where, and when? You made that up, didn't you?

556 posted on 02/07/2005 12:51:08 AM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: BykrBayb
I wish I had. The radical anti-abortion crowd, including one so-called national leader of a group that approves of killing abortion doctors made this their issue for a time, since the TV cameras were there.

School buses and students who walked to school passed her nursing home. The sign wavers were out there, pushing their agenda, waving photos at the kids before and after school.

Coverage of THAT on local TV did a lot to hurt Terri's cause.


When the S. Pete Times reviewed the entire videotape,that too was a PR disaster.

This has been a very tough legal fight from the beginning. The incredibly bad PR by people wanting their 15 minutes of face time only made it worse.

The mathematical results don't lie. Terri came into this with 4 out of 5 Tampa Bay residents suppoprting her cause. Now, about 30% do.

It's a horrible shame.
557 posted on 02/07/2005 4:54:01 AM PST by MindBender26 (Having your own XM177 E2 means never having to say you are sorry......)
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To: MindBender26
There is more bad and incorrect information running around on this story than anything else I have seen in years.

Correct. Like Terri is comatose, brain-dead and PVS. Like only religious fanatics are interested in protecting her life. Like this is a political volley-ball. All of that schmutz is totally untrue and you can thank the press for it, not the people on these boards.

Here is the real world legal situation. THIS IS NOT A POPULARITY OR EQUITY CASE, THIS IS A LEGAL MATTER.

Also correct. According to the Florida Statutes (which have been posted here time and again) it is ILLEGAL for the guardian of an incapacitated ward to deny proportionate and ordinary services such as food, water, shelter, clothing, hygiene and treatment for infection. When Schiavo did first in 1993, the court and the state had an obligation to REMOVE HIM as guardian. That's the law.

This is first and foremost a case of who has the right to speak for Terri. Is it her husband or her parents? The law says it is her husband.

See above. Additionally, as he has abandoned his marriage and does not qualify as guardian under Florida's guardianship laws, the courts have an obligation to REMOVE HIM as guardian. He is not acting lawfully and that is the beginning and end of it.

Secondly, this has been a PR disaster from Day One. All the claims of a horrible judge, unconstitutional decisions, claims of attempts at murder, huge conflicts of interest, have only served to anger the entire legal system and local residents.

Tough *&%$#@. The judge is ruling contrary to law, over-reaching the law, legislating from the bench and acting as both proxy and monitor of proxy - thereby violating the separation of powers doctrine. When people view this case in the legal aspects, they cannot POSSIBLY say there is nothing amuck. Terri has been denied due process, the judge has acted as an advocate for the guardian, she has been denied an independent Guardian ad Litem and the list goes on.

The far-out "It's ok to murder abortionists" crowd and some guy from Lakeland who wants to act as Terri's lay lawyer and bring the matter before the UN are some of the more rational people involved. Others have waved pictures of aborted babies at first and second graders from a school near her nursing home. How is that expected to help Terri?

Where are you getting your information? Have you been to a single gathering? I have been to all of them. There are some religious folk, some disabled folk, some folk who don't give a damn about anything but the possible murder of a young woman by removing a basic, human need without her permission.

They brought in "psychic healers" (con men) from somewhere in the midwest. Their idea was tell tell Terri, via speakerphone, "Wake up, they're trying to kill you."

Another bunch of bunk. They had no psychic healer. They had a therapist who was using verbal stimulation to coax Terri in a positive way. A hell of a lot more than the guardian has done, by the by, even though the LAW requires that he provide rehabilitation and restoration to capacity. This is the only thing the Schindlers could possibly do to try to help their daughter since they have been denied permission to intervene in any way. If that were my kid, you best believe I'd do anything I possibly could. So would you, mate.

They introduced a videotape supposedly showing her somewhat visually tracking a balloon for about 30 seconds, but then, when the entire tape was shown, it showed her have no contact with anything for the entire 45 minutes of the tape, except the 30 seconds.

A flat-out lie and you know it. I've seen the tapes in their entirety. Have you? No?

Sorry, the results speak for themselves. I do not demean the desire of these people to help Terri, but when public support was at 77% when this matter began and is now at 28%, someone is doing something very foolish.

Maybe because unscrupulous 'journalists' have turned this whole thing into a political nut when it never was. Since people are basically sheep, they ate that up with a side salad. None of it is true and you know it as well as I.

For some "supporters" this has been all about face time on TV, not Terri's survival.

BS. This has been about getting the story into the minds and hearts of as many people as humanly possible. Because the press and media have consistently leaned on Schiavo's side of the story, this was an important factor. The result was a groundswell from the grassroots that has been both impressive and instrumental in sparing this young woman's life.

Please do not get me wrong, I am on Terri's side completely.

Oh, and doesn't it show? I think you're the one looking for 15 minutes. Shame on you.

It's just that as a lawyer and former network news reporter, I have seen the vast foolishness perpetrated in this case. .... and yes I have volunteered to help. On three separate occasions, "someone" from the team was going to call me back in 30 minutes. Callbacks? Zero.

You've been contacted. If it didn't work out in the fashion that you had wished it to, you're not in the right to criticize. The people you've spoken to are VOLUNTEERS. They have no power or authority to make decisions for a family or that family's legal team. That's reality.

Unfortunately, the actions of some of them have had the exact opposite effect of that which was desired.

If you mean the bickering, slandering and divisiveness of a few... I couldn't agree more. If you mean that they've not succeeded in getting the grassroots to their feet, nothing could be further from the truth.

If one disagrees with that statement, then ask yourself, why are we still losing. The answer isn't bad judges or anything like that. Losers say that in every case.

You already answered this in your opening remarks. The husband has more rights in the eyes of the law. Tell me, do you think judge Greer has acted appropriately to law in not removing a neglectful guardian who has not complied with Florida guardianship laws?

The answer is; something different must be done, and until it is, Terri will continue to slip away from us, physically and legally.

That's the difference between you and I, mate. I'm keeping on until someone tells me different. I'm not going to close my eyes and let a murder go down in my neighborhood. If it does or doesn't, I'm not going to sit still and watch more laws open the doors for abuses and murder. I intend to do something - anything I can - to see that this never goes down again. What are you going to do? Knock people on a message board or get off your arse and let your representatives know you want a change?


558 posted on 02/07/2005 6:47:26 AM PST by phenn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: phenn

Bump! BTTT.


559 posted on 02/07/2005 6:56:55 AM PST by pc93
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To: pc93

Click here: Bills :: Florida House Of Representatives

http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/bills_detail.aspx?Id=16262&iSessionSelectedIndex=0&sBillSubjectText=&sBillNumberText=&iSponsorSelectedIndex=0&iBillListSelectedIndex=0&sStatueAmendedText=&iBillTypeSelectedIndex=0&iReferredToSelectedIndex=0&iChamberSelectedIndex=0&iBillSearchListPageIndex=6

http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/loadDoc.aspx?FileName=_h0701__.doc&DocumentType=Bill&BillNumber=0701&Session=2005


Please get this info circulated. It is paramount that all Floridians contact their reps either email or phone, on this bill, and let them know how you stand.
Discuss with your neighbors, encourage them to call and email their reps, and pass this info around.
We only have a few short weeks here.
As you read through this bill, realize this will protect the incapacitated. Hearsay and casual conversation will not be enough to starve and dehydrate a person to death in this state if this passes. Protecting the vulnerable, the brain injured, the elderly, those with disabilities will benefit from this bill.

Please contact Rep Baxley and give him a big thanks for sponsoring.

Write Your Representative :: Florida House Of Representatives

http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/email_representative_form.aspx?id=4200


REPS FOR FL HOUSE
Representatives :: Florida House Of Representatives

http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/legislators.aspx

REPS FOR FL SENATE
Senators :Member Pages : flsenate.gov


http://www.flsenate.gov/Legislators/index.cfm?Mode=Member%20Pages&Submenu=1&Tab=legislators


560 posted on 02/07/2005 6:59:24 AM PST by pc93
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