Posted on 01/30/2005 11:40:42 AM PST by Bob J
Attention all you CA bashers, particularly those of you so filled with jeolosy about the Golden State you can't help posting ignorant and provincial comments.
We won't mention that CA gave this country Ronald Reagan or that this state passed, by wide margins, propositions to eliminate bi-lingual education and restrictions on benefits to illegal aliens. It wouldn't be kosher to mention we just tossed a liberal/socialist Governor out on his derrier. We won't talk about how Free Republic was created in CA, that the first activism chapter was in LA or that the very first DC Rally (The MArch for Justice in '98) that helped launch FR activism around the country was planned and organized in CA by Californians. Let's not compare the size of its economy with other states (If CA were a country, it would have the 7th largest in the world), and that the taxes paid by Californian's pay for much of other states infrastructure projects and welfare benefits. That would be piling on and not a fair fight.
How about we keep it simple and just compare raw numbers of conservatives. According to the latest census and election results in '04, CA has almost 15 million of us, compared to 12 million in Texas and only 8 million in Florida, the next 2 most populous states.
Let me post that again...
Read it and weep..it ain't braggin' if it's true.
So you keyboard cowboys who hate everything and never get off your butt to make something happen, take your ignorant and spiteful comments about CA falling off into the ocean and put them where sun don't shine.
To be honest, the conservative cause could do a lot better without you than without the 15 million conservatives in this state.
Oh, so true. But it's fun to drive around Contra Costa County (just east of SF County, and unfortunately, a blue county,) with my W '04 bumper sticker. Even more fun to give those with sKerry stickers the L salute.
Sad, yes. Do I care? No!
Personally, I feel that anyone who can't live in a city, state, etc. just because of its political leanings is weak. You can't truly believe in something unless you can defend your opinion. True, living among conservatives sounds nice, but I'll stick to my diversity of thought, thank you very much.
I mean, where else can I learn how to debate than amongst a whole bunch of liberals? Hell, all this debate helps me on FR, too! :)
And they paid for it too!
By the way, the current president spoke out against prop 187 before he became president, shortly afterwards the feds working in concert with state big gov hacks, burned our ballots and declared our free election illegal. Is anyone here surprised?
Cali bashing is funny since this website is run from there.
14.9 million vs. 33.8 million pop = 44%
12.7 million vs. 20.8 million pop = 60%
8.3 million vs. 15.9 million pop = 52%
Okay gotcha now.....
The problem in California is that the conservatives are either totally ineffective or they compromise away all of their potentially winning conservative principles.
California has a terrible climate for business, a large sales tax plus an income tax, plus wacky environmental laws plus even when they tried to set up a free market to deal with their self-created energy crisis they completely ignored the basic laws of market economics and only succeeded in making the crisis worse.
Conservatives may be a numerically significant minority in California but they only represent a POTENTIALLY (as opposed to an effectively) significant POLITICAL force. In some ways their position is a lot like that of the ethnic minorities in the Democrat party.
BTW, pointing to success in kicking Davis out of office is hardly an indication of any effective influence. Davis was so self-destructive, his success in getting elected in the first place only points to the lack of polictally significant power of conservatives there.
44.2% of CA voted for Bush...less than a six point swing would make it a red state. Knuckledraggers write the state off because they have to have something/someone to hate.
Think of what could be done if we could make that happen. Instead, the real deep thinkers of FR (and those that never peel themselves away from their couches) smash, bash and discourage CA conservatives because, you know, it makes them feel superior.
but there is a difference between regular Dems and Boxer activist........this state voted for prop 187 to stop benefits for illegals before the courts got to it and we also voted that marriage is between a man and a woman...
My husband and I love living in central California. It is a beautiful place, filled with wonderful people and breathtaking scenery. My husband also proudly serves, active duty, in this great state -- and has done so for the past 21 years.
Thank God for the conservatives who live here, vote here, and pray here. God Bless America. God Bless California.
living in Calif trancends politics for the most part.. this place is like it's own country and is too diverse to be quashed by what you see in the news....
you are so right....I went to Cal and never was intimidated by the liberals......you could live your whole life in most parts of calif and never really be effected that much by some of the politics here.........taught me how to debate, get along and see both sides of an arguement.....
GOP Presidential candidates won CA five consecutive times in recent history (from '68 - '88), but have lost the last four ('92 - '04), unfortunately. The rapidly-growing third-world demographic has a lot to do with that, no doubt. .....as does the continued massive influx of liberals from other states. It'll be difficult to turn the tide. ...but not impossible.
well yes it is an uphill battle here at times but some folk here trash the whole state and don't know a thinga about Calif and given enough time to research I could come up with a host of problems in all the states......I've been to 43 states but would not presume to know those states like those who live there.....Calif also provides a hell of alot of opportunity and even though Gray Davis fu**ed up the state, it still holds the higher percentage of Fortune 500 companies than any other state.....quoting just negative stuff doesn't not negate the positive things.....it is still the 7th largest economy in the world....
What good does having all those conservatives and still have no power its like saying I have the biggest car but the fastest belongs to your neighbor. Bigger isnt necessarily better.
I can agree that the Repub party here is torn in two directions but the court overturned 187.......what i was saying is that the people voted for it so the will of the people was still more conservative on the issue than some think.....
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