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Posted on 01/28/2005 4:28:41 PM PST by metacognative

Panicked Evolutionists: The Stephen Meyer Controversy

The theory of evolution is a tottering house of ideological cards that is more about cherished mythology than honest intellectual endeavor. Evolutionists treat their cherished theory like a fragile object of veneration and worship--and so it is. Panic is a sure sign of intellectual insecurity, and evolutionists have every reason to be insecure, for their theory is falling apart.

The latest evidence of this panic comes in a controversy that followed a highly specialized article published in an even more specialized scientific journal. Stephen C. Meyer, Director of the Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture, wrote an article accepted for publication in Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington. The article, entitled "The Origin of Biological Information and the Higher Taxonomic Categories," was published after three independent judges deemed it worthy and ready for publication. The use of such judges is standard operating procedure among "peer-reviewed" academic journals, and is considered the gold standard for academic publication.

The readership for such a journal is incredibly small, and the Biological Society of Washington does not commonly come to the attention of the nation's journalists and the general public. Nevertheless, soon after Dr. Meyer's article appeared, the self-appointed protectors of Darwinism went into full apoplexy. Internet websites and scientific newsletters came alive with outrage and embarrassment, for Dr. Meyer's article suggested that evolution just might not be the best explanation for the development of life forms. The ensuing controversy was greater than might be expected if Dr. Meyer had argued that the world is flat or that hot is cold.

Eugenie C. Scott, Executive Director of the National Center for Science Education, told The Scientist that Dr. Meyer's article came to her attention when members of the Biological Society of Washington contacted her office. "Many members of the society were stunned about the article," she told The Scientist, and she described the article as "recycled material quite common in the intelligent design community." Dr. Scott, a well known and ardent defender of evolutionary theory, called Dr. Meyer's article "substandard science" and argued that the article should never have been published in any scientific journal.

Within days, the Biological Society of Washington, intimidated by the response of the evolutionary defenders, released a statement apologizing for the publication of the article. According to the Chronicle of Higher Education, the society's governing council claimed that the article "was published without the prior knowledge of the council." The statement went on to declare: "We have met and determined that all of us would have deemed this paper inappropriate for the pages of the Proceedings." The society's president, Roy W. McDiarmid, a scientist at the U.S. Geological Survey, blamed the article's publication on the journal's previous editor, Richard Sternberg, who now serves as a fellow at the National Center for Biotechnology Information at the National Institute of Health. "My conclusion on this," McDiarmid said, "was that it was a really bad judgment call on the editor's part."

What is it about Dr. Stephen Meyer's paper that has caused such an uproar? Meyer, who holds a Ph.D. from Cambridge University, argued in his paper that the contemporary form of evolutionary theory now dominant in the academy, known as "Neo-Darwinism," fails to account for the development of higher life forms and the complexity of living organisms. Pointing to what evolutionists identify as the "Cambrian explosion," Meyer argued that "the geologically sudden appearance of many new animal body plans" cannot be accounted for by Darwinian theory, "neo" or otherwise.

Accepting the scientific claim that the Cambrian explosion took place "about 530 million years ago," Meyer went on to explain that the "remarkable jump in the specified complexity or 'complex specified information' [CSI] of the biological world" cannot be explained by evolutionary theory.

The heart of Dr. Meyer's argument is found in this scientifically-loaded passage: "Neo-Darwinism seeks to explain the origin of new information, form, and structure as a result of selection acting on randomly arising variation at a very low level within the biological hierarchy, mainly, within the genetic text. Yet the major morphological innovations depend on a specificity of arrangement at a much higher level of the organizational hierarchy, a level that DNA alone does not determine. Yet if DNA is not wholly responsible for body plan morphogenesis, then DNA sequences can mutate indefinitely, without regard to realistic probabilistic limits, and still not produce a new body plan. Thus, the mechanism of natural selection acting on random mutations in DNA cannot in principle generate novel body plans, including those that first arose in the Cambrian explosion."

In simpler terms, the mechanism of natural selection, central to evolutionary theory, cannot possibly account for the development of so many varied and complex life forms simply by mutations in DNA. Rather, some conscious design--thus requiring a Designer--is necessary to explain the emergence of these life forms.

In the remainder of his paper, Meyer attacks the intellectual inadequacies of evolutionary theory and argues for what is now known as the "design Hypothesis." As he argued, "Conscious and rational agents have, as a part of their powers of purposive intelligence, the capacity to design information-rich parts and to organize those parts into functional information-rich systems and hierarchies." As he went on to assert, "We know of no other causal entity or process that has this capacity." In other words, the development of the multitude of higher life forms found on the planet can be explained only by the guidance of a rational agent--a Designer--whose plan is evident in the design.

Meyer's article was enough to cause hysteria in the evolutionists' camp. Knowing that their theory lacks intellectual credibility, the evolutionists respond by raising the volume, offering the equivalent of scientific shrieks and screams whenever their cherished theory is criticized--much less in one of their own cherished journals. As Dr. John West, Associate Director of the Discovery Institute explained, "Instead of addressing the paper's argument or inviting counterarguments or rebuttal, the society has resorted to affirming what amounts to a doctrinal statement in an effort to stifle scientific debate. They're trying to stop scientific discussion before it even starts."

When the Biological Society of Washington issued its embarrassing apology for publishing the paper, the organization pledged that arguments for Intelligent Design "will not be addressed in future issues of the Proceedings," regardless of whether the paper passes peer review.

From the perspective of panicked evolutionists, the Intelligent Design movement represents a formidable adversary and a constant irritant. The defenders of Intelligent Design are undermining evolutionary theory at multiple levels, and they refuse to go away. The panicked evolutionists respond with name-calling, labeling Intelligent Design proponents as "creationists," thereby hoping to prevent any scientific debate before it starts.

Intelligent Design is not tantamount to the biblical doctrine of creation. Theologically, Intelligent Design falls far short of requiring any affirmation of the doctrine of creation as revealed in the Bible. Nevertheless, it is a useful and important intellectual tool, and a scientific movement with great promise. The real significance of Intelligent Design theory and its related movement is the success with which it undermines the materialistic and naturalistic worldview central to the theory of evolution.

For the Christian believer, the Bible presents the compelling and authoritative case for God's creation of the cosmos. Specifically, the Bible provides us with the ultimate truth concerning human origins and the special creation of human beings as the creatures made in God's own image. Thus, though we believe in more than Intelligent Design, we certainly do not believe in less. We should celebrate the confusion and consternation now so evident among the evolutionists. Dr. Stephen Meyer's article--and the controversy it has spawned--has caught evolutionary scientists with their intellectual pants down.

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R. Albert Mohler, Jr


TOPICS: Philosophy
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To: Alamo-Girl

Heh, heh... I just realized I have broken my own rule by posting on an Evolution/ID thread with over 200 posts.

My bad.

Have fun folks... 8^>


921 posted on 01/31/2005 1:12:17 PM PST by RobRoy (I like you. You remind me of myself when I was young and stupid.)
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To: betty boop
can understand how Rob Roy feels. One often gets a dreaded sense of deja vu on the evolution threads -- kind of a "been there, done that already" feeling.... Indeed, as you say, one does not want "to fight the same battles over and again."

Perhaps he still has to fight that same old battle because he is attacking from a false premise.

922 posted on 01/31/2005 1:13:15 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: RobRoy
Thank you so much for your kind reply and your encouragments!

What is really "new" to the debate lately is that the same thing really does seem to be happening to the evolution side of this as happened to Dan Rather. It is a new and exciting twist, and another reason to praise the internet as a way to really disseminate information. I think it is also why Bush won the election. Lies just do not have the legs they used to.

In other words, for me the story here is that the debate (fight) has spilled from the confines of the dark and controlled auditorium out into the broad dailight of the street. Many of the combatants are rather embarrassed by the now obvious puppet strings dangling from their bodies.

I agree. The big story is that conventional media (and in this case, science journals) can no longer avoid critical inquiry.

It wasn't so very long ago that one could not easily locate a subject, an author - do his own fact-checking. The internet has changed our basic attitudes by empowering us to look behind the curtain.

923 posted on 01/31/2005 1:14:42 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: mississippi red-neck
The Old Testament is layered with many divine truths interspersed with historical records such as lots of characters, dates, places, events, quotes, laws etc. etc.

The subject of prophecy in the Old Testament is little understood by most people. It takes years of study and certain life experiences to understand the prophetic parts of the Real Testament.

The prophecies said that at some point in human history a male figure would be revealed as the righteous redeemer, prince of peace, anointed one.
924 posted on 01/31/2005 1:14:58 PM PST by Red Sea Swimmer (Tisha5765Bav)
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To: betty boop
I know you are a veteran of these science threads, but your posts are ones I always stop to read - and usually bookmark, too. Thank you so much for your agreement and encouragement!
925 posted on 01/31/2005 1:18:43 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl; WildTurkey
Here's the question I have. My topic of interest is not in debunking evolution or proving ID. My argument is focused on those who see evolution and the Bible being compatible. Either you believe the Bible which in terms of time, order of events, and method of creation are totally incompatible with evolution. If you see the Bible as worthless or just a book written be men with no divine inspiration, than the argument is not directed at you.

From a logical standpoint, I see this as a valid discussion. If the Bible says 2 + 2 = 5 and math says 2 + 2 = 4, than the Bible believers will say 5 till their blue in the face, however it is illogical to assert that they are both true or compatible. That is the heart of the issue.

JM
926 posted on 01/31/2005 1:22:07 PM PST by JohnnyM
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To: WildTurkey
I really don't understand AG's argument. Do you?

Yes.

:^)

More seriously, I understand your frustration, but sometimes it's best to be a bit philosophical about these things. As nearly as I can tell, the blow-by-blow went something like this: he made some point, you challenged him to back it up, he declined, you suggested that his refusal was because he can't do so. And having made that final point, you might as well realize that you can't make someone answer you, so perhaps it's best to just leave it there - if you want to conclude that he can't support his contention, whatever it was, that's fine, but there's not much point in harping on it after that. Everyone's made their positions clear, neither of you are changing your minds, so why not move on? Fewer ulcers that way, trust me, especially because you'll see that again and again ;)

927 posted on 01/31/2005 1:24:03 PM PST by general_re (How come so many of the VKs have been here six months or less?)
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To: bvw
wow. Unable to answer a simple question.

Let me reword it for you. Does the Bible state that the Sun was created on the 4th day?

Does the Bible state that land animals were created after birds?

JM
928 posted on 01/31/2005 1:25:44 PM PST by JohnnyM
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To: general_re

Whatever. Whenever someone makes a baseless claim in the argument, and then claims he doesn't want to fight the fight again he is implying that he has bases for his claim (since he has already fought the battle) and he wishes to leave that impression on others. Sorry.


929 posted on 01/31/2005 1:28:32 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: general_re
so perhaps it's best to just leave it there

I think I did. Then Alamo-Girl came in and opened up this whole discussion.

930 posted on 01/31/2005 1:30:21 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: WildTurkey
Whenever someone makes a baseless claim in the argument, and then claims he doesn't want to fight the fight again he is implying that he has bases for his claim (since he has already fought the battle) and he wishes to leave that impression on others.

And you're perfectly right to point out how convenient that is for the other person. But where else can you go after that? Might as well chalk that one up as a forfeit victory and move on to the next argument, which will also look familiar to you, most likely ;)

931 posted on 01/31/2005 1:32:38 PM PST by general_re (How come so many of the VKs have been here six months or less?)
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To: Alamo-Girl
It wasn't so very long ago that one could not easily locate a subject, an author - do his own fact-checking. The internet has changed our basic attitudes by empowering us to look behind the curtain.

The internet has empowered one to bypass basic scientific principles and prove your point based on the false science spouted by some kook selling DVD's.

932 posted on 01/31/2005 1:36:20 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: bvw
One more thing. I dont care about who has the better propaganda machine. That is not the issue. The issue is what is the Truth? Is it evolution or the Bible? These two are not compatible. They cannot both be true. That is the point I am trying to make. If you want evolution to trump the Bible, then fine, but to say the two are in agreement is not logical. The keyboard cannot both exist and not exist. One party has the Truth, irregardless of who wins the propaganda race.

JM
933 posted on 01/31/2005 1:39:02 PM PST by JohnnyM
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To: general_re
And you're perfectly right to point out how convenient that is for the other person. But where else can you go after that? Might as well chalk that one up as a forfeit victory and move on to the next argument, which will also look familiar to you, most likely ;)

Uh, like I did. The rest of this has been a discussion provoked by Alamo-Girl.

934 posted on 01/31/2005 1:39:44 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: JohnnyM
Thank you for post and for your question, which is primarily a theological question and I shall respond accordingly.

My argument is focused on those who see evolution and the Bible being compatible. Either you believe the Bible which in terms of time, order of events, and method of creation are totally incompatible with evolution. If you see the Bible as worthless or just a book written be men with no divine inspiration, than the argument is not directed at you.

I see the Scriptures as inerrant and Jesus Christ as the living, eternal Word of God made flesh (John 1, Rev 19)

I also see that God is the Creator of all that there is, the heavens declare His glory and we are to take notice of it. (Psalms 19:1, Romans 1:20)

Since He is both the author of Creation and of Scripture - I expect them to agree and have never been disappointed.

For instance, under relativity and the inflationary theory, six days at the space/time coordinates of the inception of this universe is equal to roughly 14 billion years from our space/time coordinates. Earth time in years and days (our coordinates) begins with Adam and some 6000 years have elapsed since Genesis 4:1. Genesis 1-3 addresses events in both the spiritual realm and the physical realm (compare Genesis 2:9 and Revelation 2:7).

Age of the Universe

Genesis 1 - mechanical, literal and poetic translations

My article on Origins and Scriptures

My article on Evolution through the Back Door

So as you can see, I do not have an issue between inerrant Scripture and physical evidence in the Universe. Others might, particularly those who date the age of the universe at 6000 years plus 6 days from our space/time coordinates - but then again, God could have created it all last Thursday.

Metaphysical naturalism (atheism) is also a religion. You might be interested in my challenges to them to prove that they are not religious, nine points

935 posted on 01/31/2005 1:41:57 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: JohnnyM

I thought you said you weren't interested in debunking evolution.


936 posted on 01/31/2005 1:42:04 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: JohnnyM
Oops. My link to those 9 points was bad. Here it is:

Challenges

937 posted on 01/31/2005 1:44:33 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: WildTurkey
I am interested in debunking the idea that evolution and the Scripture are compatible. Big difference.

JM
938 posted on 01/31/2005 1:46:36 PM PST by JohnnyM
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To: JohnnyM
I am interested in debunking the idea that evolution and the Scripture are compatible. Big difference.

But your contention is that the Scripture is Truth, ergo evolution is false, correct?

939 posted on 01/31/2005 1:48:08 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: WildTurkey
I believe the last battleground for errors wrt evolution in biology textbooks was in Texas. Here's an article on that one: Dallas News

I'm not aware of any organized effort to drop evolution altogether from textbooks.

940 posted on 01/31/2005 1:48:19 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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