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Posted on 01/28/2005 4:28:41 PM PST by metacognative

Panicked Evolutionists: The Stephen Meyer Controversy

The theory of evolution is a tottering house of ideological cards that is more about cherished mythology than honest intellectual endeavor. Evolutionists treat their cherished theory like a fragile object of veneration and worship--and so it is. Panic is a sure sign of intellectual insecurity, and evolutionists have every reason to be insecure, for their theory is falling apart.

The latest evidence of this panic comes in a controversy that followed a highly specialized article published in an even more specialized scientific journal. Stephen C. Meyer, Director of the Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture, wrote an article accepted for publication in Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington. The article, entitled "The Origin of Biological Information and the Higher Taxonomic Categories," was published after three independent judges deemed it worthy and ready for publication. The use of such judges is standard operating procedure among "peer-reviewed" academic journals, and is considered the gold standard for academic publication.

The readership for such a journal is incredibly small, and the Biological Society of Washington does not commonly come to the attention of the nation's journalists and the general public. Nevertheless, soon after Dr. Meyer's article appeared, the self-appointed protectors of Darwinism went into full apoplexy. Internet websites and scientific newsletters came alive with outrage and embarrassment, for Dr. Meyer's article suggested that evolution just might not be the best explanation for the development of life forms. The ensuing controversy was greater than might be expected if Dr. Meyer had argued that the world is flat or that hot is cold.

Eugenie C. Scott, Executive Director of the National Center for Science Education, told The Scientist that Dr. Meyer's article came to her attention when members of the Biological Society of Washington contacted her office. "Many members of the society were stunned about the article," she told The Scientist, and she described the article as "recycled material quite common in the intelligent design community." Dr. Scott, a well known and ardent defender of evolutionary theory, called Dr. Meyer's article "substandard science" and argued that the article should never have been published in any scientific journal.

Within days, the Biological Society of Washington, intimidated by the response of the evolutionary defenders, released a statement apologizing for the publication of the article. According to the Chronicle of Higher Education, the society's governing council claimed that the article "was published without the prior knowledge of the council." The statement went on to declare: "We have met and determined that all of us would have deemed this paper inappropriate for the pages of the Proceedings." The society's president, Roy W. McDiarmid, a scientist at the U.S. Geological Survey, blamed the article's publication on the journal's previous editor, Richard Sternberg, who now serves as a fellow at the National Center for Biotechnology Information at the National Institute of Health. "My conclusion on this," McDiarmid said, "was that it was a really bad judgment call on the editor's part."

What is it about Dr. Stephen Meyer's paper that has caused such an uproar? Meyer, who holds a Ph.D. from Cambridge University, argued in his paper that the contemporary form of evolutionary theory now dominant in the academy, known as "Neo-Darwinism," fails to account for the development of higher life forms and the complexity of living organisms. Pointing to what evolutionists identify as the "Cambrian explosion," Meyer argued that "the geologically sudden appearance of many new animal body plans" cannot be accounted for by Darwinian theory, "neo" or otherwise.

Accepting the scientific claim that the Cambrian explosion took place "about 530 million years ago," Meyer went on to explain that the "remarkable jump in the specified complexity or 'complex specified information' [CSI] of the biological world" cannot be explained by evolutionary theory.

The heart of Dr. Meyer's argument is found in this scientifically-loaded passage: "Neo-Darwinism seeks to explain the origin of new information, form, and structure as a result of selection acting on randomly arising variation at a very low level within the biological hierarchy, mainly, within the genetic text. Yet the major morphological innovations depend on a specificity of arrangement at a much higher level of the organizational hierarchy, a level that DNA alone does not determine. Yet if DNA is not wholly responsible for body plan morphogenesis, then DNA sequences can mutate indefinitely, without regard to realistic probabilistic limits, and still not produce a new body plan. Thus, the mechanism of natural selection acting on random mutations in DNA cannot in principle generate novel body plans, including those that first arose in the Cambrian explosion."

In simpler terms, the mechanism of natural selection, central to evolutionary theory, cannot possibly account for the development of so many varied and complex life forms simply by mutations in DNA. Rather, some conscious design--thus requiring a Designer--is necessary to explain the emergence of these life forms.

In the remainder of his paper, Meyer attacks the intellectual inadequacies of evolutionary theory and argues for what is now known as the "design Hypothesis." As he argued, "Conscious and rational agents have, as a part of their powers of purposive intelligence, the capacity to design information-rich parts and to organize those parts into functional information-rich systems and hierarchies." As he went on to assert, "We know of no other causal entity or process that has this capacity." In other words, the development of the multitude of higher life forms found on the planet can be explained only by the guidance of a rational agent--a Designer--whose plan is evident in the design.

Meyer's article was enough to cause hysteria in the evolutionists' camp. Knowing that their theory lacks intellectual credibility, the evolutionists respond by raising the volume, offering the equivalent of scientific shrieks and screams whenever their cherished theory is criticized--much less in one of their own cherished journals. As Dr. John West, Associate Director of the Discovery Institute explained, "Instead of addressing the paper's argument or inviting counterarguments or rebuttal, the society has resorted to affirming what amounts to a doctrinal statement in an effort to stifle scientific debate. They're trying to stop scientific discussion before it even starts."

When the Biological Society of Washington issued its embarrassing apology for publishing the paper, the organization pledged that arguments for Intelligent Design "will not be addressed in future issues of the Proceedings," regardless of whether the paper passes peer review.

From the perspective of panicked evolutionists, the Intelligent Design movement represents a formidable adversary and a constant irritant. The defenders of Intelligent Design are undermining evolutionary theory at multiple levels, and they refuse to go away. The panicked evolutionists respond with name-calling, labeling Intelligent Design proponents as "creationists," thereby hoping to prevent any scientific debate before it starts.

Intelligent Design is not tantamount to the biblical doctrine of creation. Theologically, Intelligent Design falls far short of requiring any affirmation of the doctrine of creation as revealed in the Bible. Nevertheless, it is a useful and important intellectual tool, and a scientific movement with great promise. The real significance of Intelligent Design theory and its related movement is the success with which it undermines the materialistic and naturalistic worldview central to the theory of evolution.

For the Christian believer, the Bible presents the compelling and authoritative case for God's creation of the cosmos. Specifically, the Bible provides us with the ultimate truth concerning human origins and the special creation of human beings as the creatures made in God's own image. Thus, though we believe in more than Intelligent Design, we certainly do not believe in less. We should celebrate the confusion and consternation now so evident among the evolutionists. Dr. Stephen Meyer's article--and the controversy it has spawned--has caught evolutionary scientists with their intellectual pants down.

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R. Albert Mohler, Jr


TOPICS: Philosophy
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To: general_re
So says the president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, in his expert biological opinion. Does he do astrophysics and analytical chemistry too, or does he limit himself to the life sciences?

Philosophers and theologians have always been better thinkers than mere life scientists. Scientists don't really think. They measure, record, and document. For that reason, we can more or less trust a doctor to provide us with proper medication, because he can observe his subject. Biologists who purport to speak of events they can no longer observe, based on a very spare fossil record, are terribly poor souls to learn anything from because they are in the unenviable position of being mere empiricists in a world that cannot be observed.
221 posted on 01/29/2005 11:05:20 AM PST by farmer18th
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To: general_re
The ID movement was conceived to avoid being characterized as "another shrill group of hacks that can be discounted out of hand". Persuasion can only happen if ideas can be exchanged.

This is a legitimate battle. We are asking for your side to fight fair.

222 posted on 01/29/2005 11:06:39 AM PST by bondserv (Sincerity with God is the most powerful instigator for change! † [Check out my profile page])
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To: WildTurkey
But, But, But ... you mean it is God's word and we don't even know when it was written? And in what order?

The copyright office was closed at the time. The miracle of the bible is in facts its different authors in different times resulting in a consistant whole.

However, your insinuation that scripture wasn't codified until 400 is very misleading. There were numerous authorities who used references to it in their writings much before 400. In addition, the ones left out were written much later.

Most of the writings were written when the people they referenced were still alive and still able to refute the claims. I

223 posted on 01/29/2005 11:10:00 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: Ichneumon

You make a good point. I have not studied physics and I don't challenge those who do. I am also aware of a high level of irritation though when someone questions evolution as the article points out. Indeed your response was passionate.I assume you are well informed and have carefully crosschecked each item in each of the proof sources offered but the original poster is also correct that the mention of a challenge to the conventional wisdom raises a lot of heat!


224 posted on 01/29/2005 11:10:29 AM PST by SpeakingUp (MSM lied, Kerry lied, and 1,800,000 Cambodians died.)
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To: Ichneumon

CAUTION: BLOWHARD ALERT!!!!!!


225 posted on 01/29/2005 11:11:07 AM PST by LiteKeeper (Secularization of America is happening)
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To: BJungNan
Sounds like a disagreement over terms, something to be defined for the purposes of discussion. Not something to start throwing spears over. If someone has not studied evolution to the point that you have, certainly they are not going to have the same handle on the terminology. Either you have to explain it or adapt your language to fit the discussion, make sure that everyone is talking about the same thing.

Perhaps you are not aware of the recent history of these threads. It is all about the creationists designing a sticker for the school board to put on textbooks that a judge threw out.

It was purposefully designed to say that evolution was a theory and not a fact (true but it distorts the arguement in that the students see it before the are taught what a theory is and are thus prejudiced as are the parents who will never be taught what a theory is).

Second, it links "the origin of life" to evolutionary theory. THEY are redifining science on purpose and everyone of the creationists on this thread knows what's going on. Now you know also and you know why we get testy.

Their goal is to totally discredit evolution and remove it from the classroom.

226 posted on 01/29/2005 11:11:11 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: BJungNan
Sounds like a disagreement over terms...

There is no disagreement in terms. Evolution specifically only deals with imperfect replicators (i.e., life). It could care less where that life comes from. In a similar manner, meteorology does not concern itself with the origins of the atmosphere.

227 posted on 01/29/2005 11:11:30 AM PST by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: BJungNan
There's very little debate on the subject on FR, because one of the sides is largely incapable of understanding that the debate is about the origin of species, not the origin of life.

Do you realize how bad that sentence sounds? Not the grammer, but how bad it makes you sound?

I just went back to look at your posts to see where you are coming from. He offered a reasonable post and you try to discredit him. Do you realize how bad that makes you look? BTW (grammar).

228 posted on 01/29/2005 11:14:05 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: metacognative
Excerpts from the From the WSJ, Bold type is my doing:

The Branding of a Heretic

By: David Klinghoffer
The Wall Street Journal
January 28, 2005

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The question of whether Intelligent Design (ID) may be presented to public-school students alongside neo-Darwinian evolution has roiled parents and teachers in various communities lately. Whether ID may be presented to adult scientific professionals is another question altogether but also controversial. It is now roiling the government-supported Smithsonian Institution, where one scientist has had his career all but ruined over it.

The scientist is Richard Sternberg, a research associate at the Smithsonian's National Museum of Natural History in Washington. The holder of two Ph.D.s in biology, Mr. Sternberg was until recently the managing editor of a nominally independent journal published at the museum, Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington, where he exercised final editorial authority. The August issue included typical articles on taxonomical topics--e.g., on a new species of hermit crab. It also included an atypical article, "The Origin of Biological Information and the Higher Taxonomic Categories." Here was trouble.

The piece happened to be the first peer-reviewed article to appear in a technical biology journal laying out the evidential case for Intelligent Design. According to ID theory, certain features of living organisms--such as the miniature machines and complex circuits within cells--are better explained by an unspecified designing intelligence than by an undirected natural process like random mutation and natural selection.

Mr. Sternberg's editorship has since expired, as it was scheduled to anyway, but his future as a researcher is in jeopardy--and that he had not planned on at all. He has been penalized by the museum's Department of Zoology, his religious and political beliefs questioned. He now rests his hope for vindication on his complaint filed with the U.S. Office of Special Counsel (OSC) that he was subjected to discrimination on the basis of perceived religious beliefs. A museum spokesman confirms that the OSC is investigating. Says Mr. Sternberg: "I'm spending my time trying to figure out how to salvage a scientific career."

The offending review-essay was written by Stephen Meyer, who holds a Cambridge University doctorate in the philosophy of biology. In the article, he cites biologists and paleontologists critical of certain aspects of Darwinism--mainstream scientists at places like the University of Chicago, Yale, Cambridge and Oxford. Mr. Meyer gathers the threads of their comments to make his own case. He points, for example, to the Cambrian explosion 530 million years ago, when between 19 and 34 animal phyla (body plans) sprang into existence. He argues that, relying on only the Darwinian mechanism, there was not enough time for the necessary genetic "information" to be generated. ID, he believes, offers a better explanation. Whatever the article's ultimate merits--beyond the judgment of a layman--it was indeed subject to peer review, the gold standard of academic science. Not that such review saved Mr. Sternberg from infamy. Soon after the article appeared, Hans Sues--the museum's No. 2 senior scientist--denounced it to colleagues and then sent a widely forwarded e-mail calling it "unscientific garbage."

Meanwhile, the chairman of the Zoology Department, Jonathan Coddington, called Mr. Sternberg's supervisor. According to Mr. Sternberg's OSC complaint: "First, he asked whether Sternberg was a religious fundamentalist. She told him no. Coddington then asked if Sternberg was affiliated with or belonged to any religious organization. . . . He then asked where Sternberg stood politically; . . . he asked, 'Is he a right-winger? What is his political affiliation?' " The supervisor (who did not return my phone messages) recounted the conversation to Mr. Sternberg, who also quotes her observing: "There are Christians here, but they keep their heads down."

Worries about being perceived as "religious" spread at the museum. One curator, who generally confirmed the conversation when I spoke to him, told Mr. Sternberg about a gathering where he offered a Jewish prayer for a colleague about to retire. The curator fretted: "So now they're going to think that I'm a religious person, and that's not a good thing at the museum."

In October, as the OSC complaint recounts, Mr. Coddington told Mr. Sternberg to give up his office and turn in his keys to the departmental floor, thus denying him access to the specimen collections he needs. Mr. Sternberg was also assigned to the close oversight of a curator with whom he had professional disagreements unrelated to evolution. "I'm going to be straightforward with you," said Mr. Coddington, according to the complaint. "Yes, you are being singled out." Neither Mr. Coddington nor Mr. Sues returned repeated phone messages asking for their version of events.

Mr. Sternberg begged a friendly curator for alternative research space, and he still works at the museum. But many colleagues now ignore him when he greets them in the hall, and his office sits empty as "unclaimed space." Old colleagues at other institutions now refuse to work with him on publication projects, citing the Meyer episode. The Biological Society of Washington released a vaguely ecclesiastical statement regretting its association with the article. It did not address its arguments but denied its orthodoxy, citing a resolution of the American Association for the Advancement of Science that defined ID as, by its very nature, unscientific.

It may or may not be, but surely the matter can be debated on scientific grounds, responded to with argument instead of invective and stigma. Note the circularity: Critics of ID have long argued that the theory was unscientific because it had not been put forward in a peer-reviewed scientific journal. Now that it has, they argue that it shouldn't have been because it's unscientific. They banish certain ideas from certain venues as if by holy writ, and brand heretics too. In any case, the heretic here is Mr. Meyer, a fellow at Seattle's Discovery Institute, not Mr. Sternberg, who isn't himself an advocate of Intelligent Design.

According to the OSC complaint, one museum specialist chided him by saying: "I think you are a religiously motivated person and you have dragged down the Proceedings because of your religiously motivated agenda." Definitely not, says Mr. Sternberg. He is a Catholic who attends Mass but notes: "I would call myself a believer with a lot of questions, about everything. I'm in the postmodern predicament."

Intelligent Design, in any event, is hardly a made-to-order prop for any particular religion. When the British atheist philosopher Antony Flew made news this winter by declaring that he had become a deist--a believer in an unbiblical "god of the philosophers" who takes no notice of our lives--he pointed to the plausibility of ID theory.

Darwinism, by contrast, is an essential ingredient in secularism, that aggressive, quasi-religious faith without a deity. The Sternberg case seems, in many ways, an instance of one religion persecuting a rival, demanding loyalty from anyone who enters one of its churches--like the National Museum of Natural History......

229 posted on 01/29/2005 11:17:32 AM PST by cookcounty (I'm an intelligent design ---you can speak for yourself.)
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To: WildTurkey

The interior angles of a triangle sum to what number of degrees, wild one?


230 posted on 01/29/2005 11:17:52 AM PST by bvw
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To: SpeakingUp
I am also aware of a high level of irritation though when someone questions evolution as the article points out. Indeed your response was passionate.I assume you are well informed and have carefully crosschecked each item in each of the proof sources offered but the original poster is also correct that the mention of a challenge to the conventional wisdom raises a lot of heat!

We welcome learned and thoughtful challenges. We just get testy when a bunch of religious fanatics run around touting the writings of a history professor as science. It doesn't take a lot of thought to say that since science cannot explain it all, God did it therefore all of science is wrong. Do you follow?

231 posted on 01/29/2005 11:18:37 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: Junior
There is no disagreement in terms. Evolution specifically only deals with imperfect replicators (i.e., life). It could care less where that life comes from. In a similar manner, meteorology does not concern itself with the origins of the atmosphere.

I am not going to argue that one with you - "Evolution specifically only deals with imperfect replicators (i.e., life). It could care less where that life comes from. In a similar manner, meteorology does not concern itself with the origins of the atmosphere."

That has us jumping into the issue of evolution though. That was not the point we were discussing. We were discussing why it is people don't accept your view, my suggestion that it may be the way your are presenting it and your attitude towards those that disagree with you.

Do you want to focus on that or just drop the discussion. No problem either way. I'm just far more interested in the discussion of behavor than I am in evolution.

232 posted on 01/29/2005 11:18:39 AM PST by BJungNan (National sale tax - end all this insane tax records paperwork.)
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To: SpeakingUp
I am also aware of a high level of irritation though when someone questions evolution as the article points out.

If it was questioned from a position of knowledge on the subject, that would be one thing. However, the objections to evolution brought forth, time and again, on these threads have been refuted thoroughly time and again. The creationists, by their continued use of these tired old canards, show they have not learned anything from literally years of debate on the subject. One can only assume they revel in their ignorance.

233 posted on 01/29/2005 11:18:39 AM PST by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: bondserv
We are asking for your side to fight fair.

No, you are asking for the rules of science to be rewritten to suit some other, non-science agenda. If you want science's stamp of approval, you need to play by the rules of science, not stamp your feet and demand that they be changed when you don't like the outcome.

234 posted on 01/29/2005 11:18:53 AM PST by general_re (How come so many of the VKs have been here six months or less?)
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To: WildTurkey; SpeakingUp
We just get testy when a bunch of religious fanatics run around touting the writings of a history professor as science.

It seems resorting to ad hominem attack and bouts of emotional frustration is a common characteristic of those that believe in evolution. That is what a study of this thread would seem to indicate. Is this your finding as well?

235 posted on 01/29/2005 11:22:50 AM PST by BJungNan (National sale tax - end all this insane tax records paperwork.)
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To: bvw
The interior angles of a triangle sum to what number of degrees, wild one?

Insufficient information for a determination.

236 posted on 01/29/2005 11:24:50 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: BJungNan
It seems resorting to ad hominem attack and bouts of emotional frustration is a common characteristic of those that believe in evolution. That is what a study of this thread would seem to indicate. Is this your finding as well?

You mean like your first post where you attacked Junior and thus exposed yourself as a creationist troll?

237 posted on 01/29/2005 11:25:50 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: BJungNan
We were discussing why it is people don't accept your view, my suggestion that it may be the way your are presenting it and your attitude towards those that disagree with you.

Usually it is the creationists that get nasty firstest and mostest. Just like your first post attack on Junior.

238 posted on 01/29/2005 11:28:03 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: BJungNan
Do you want to focus on that or just drop the discussion. No problem either way. I'm just far more interested in the discussion of behavor than I am in evolution.

Then take it to anothe thread and don't come here insulting others.

239 posted on 01/29/2005 11:29:06 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: WildTurkey
No I don't follow. I don't understand why a highly trained scientist as yourself get's so passionate at my post.
240 posted on 01/29/2005 11:32:05 AM PST by SpeakingUp (MSM lied, Kerry lied, and 1,800,000 Cambodians died.)
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