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Posted on 01/28/2005 4:28:41 PM PST by metacognative

Panicked Evolutionists: The Stephen Meyer Controversy

The theory of evolution is a tottering house of ideological cards that is more about cherished mythology than honest intellectual endeavor. Evolutionists treat their cherished theory like a fragile object of veneration and worship--and so it is. Panic is a sure sign of intellectual insecurity, and evolutionists have every reason to be insecure, for their theory is falling apart.

The latest evidence of this panic comes in a controversy that followed a highly specialized article published in an even more specialized scientific journal. Stephen C. Meyer, Director of the Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture, wrote an article accepted for publication in Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington. The article, entitled "The Origin of Biological Information and the Higher Taxonomic Categories," was published after three independent judges deemed it worthy and ready for publication. The use of such judges is standard operating procedure among "peer-reviewed" academic journals, and is considered the gold standard for academic publication.

The readership for such a journal is incredibly small, and the Biological Society of Washington does not commonly come to the attention of the nation's journalists and the general public. Nevertheless, soon after Dr. Meyer's article appeared, the self-appointed protectors of Darwinism went into full apoplexy. Internet websites and scientific newsletters came alive with outrage and embarrassment, for Dr. Meyer's article suggested that evolution just might not be the best explanation for the development of life forms. The ensuing controversy was greater than might be expected if Dr. Meyer had argued that the world is flat or that hot is cold.

Eugenie C. Scott, Executive Director of the National Center for Science Education, told The Scientist that Dr. Meyer's article came to her attention when members of the Biological Society of Washington contacted her office. "Many members of the society were stunned about the article," she told The Scientist, and she described the article as "recycled material quite common in the intelligent design community." Dr. Scott, a well known and ardent defender of evolutionary theory, called Dr. Meyer's article "substandard science" and argued that the article should never have been published in any scientific journal.

Within days, the Biological Society of Washington, intimidated by the response of the evolutionary defenders, released a statement apologizing for the publication of the article. According to the Chronicle of Higher Education, the society's governing council claimed that the article "was published without the prior knowledge of the council." The statement went on to declare: "We have met and determined that all of us would have deemed this paper inappropriate for the pages of the Proceedings." The society's president, Roy W. McDiarmid, a scientist at the U.S. Geological Survey, blamed the article's publication on the journal's previous editor, Richard Sternberg, who now serves as a fellow at the National Center for Biotechnology Information at the National Institute of Health. "My conclusion on this," McDiarmid said, "was that it was a really bad judgment call on the editor's part."

What is it about Dr. Stephen Meyer's paper that has caused such an uproar? Meyer, who holds a Ph.D. from Cambridge University, argued in his paper that the contemporary form of evolutionary theory now dominant in the academy, known as "Neo-Darwinism," fails to account for the development of higher life forms and the complexity of living organisms. Pointing to what evolutionists identify as the "Cambrian explosion," Meyer argued that "the geologically sudden appearance of many new animal body plans" cannot be accounted for by Darwinian theory, "neo" or otherwise.

Accepting the scientific claim that the Cambrian explosion took place "about 530 million years ago," Meyer went on to explain that the "remarkable jump in the specified complexity or 'complex specified information' [CSI] of the biological world" cannot be explained by evolutionary theory.

The heart of Dr. Meyer's argument is found in this scientifically-loaded passage: "Neo-Darwinism seeks to explain the origin of new information, form, and structure as a result of selection acting on randomly arising variation at a very low level within the biological hierarchy, mainly, within the genetic text. Yet the major morphological innovations depend on a specificity of arrangement at a much higher level of the organizational hierarchy, a level that DNA alone does not determine. Yet if DNA is not wholly responsible for body plan morphogenesis, then DNA sequences can mutate indefinitely, without regard to realistic probabilistic limits, and still not produce a new body plan. Thus, the mechanism of natural selection acting on random mutations in DNA cannot in principle generate novel body plans, including those that first arose in the Cambrian explosion."

In simpler terms, the mechanism of natural selection, central to evolutionary theory, cannot possibly account for the development of so many varied and complex life forms simply by mutations in DNA. Rather, some conscious design--thus requiring a Designer--is necessary to explain the emergence of these life forms.

In the remainder of his paper, Meyer attacks the intellectual inadequacies of evolutionary theory and argues for what is now known as the "design Hypothesis." As he argued, "Conscious and rational agents have, as a part of their powers of purposive intelligence, the capacity to design information-rich parts and to organize those parts into functional information-rich systems and hierarchies." As he went on to assert, "We know of no other causal entity or process that has this capacity." In other words, the development of the multitude of higher life forms found on the planet can be explained only by the guidance of a rational agent--a Designer--whose plan is evident in the design.

Meyer's article was enough to cause hysteria in the evolutionists' camp. Knowing that their theory lacks intellectual credibility, the evolutionists respond by raising the volume, offering the equivalent of scientific shrieks and screams whenever their cherished theory is criticized--much less in one of their own cherished journals. As Dr. John West, Associate Director of the Discovery Institute explained, "Instead of addressing the paper's argument or inviting counterarguments or rebuttal, the society has resorted to affirming what amounts to a doctrinal statement in an effort to stifle scientific debate. They're trying to stop scientific discussion before it even starts."

When the Biological Society of Washington issued its embarrassing apology for publishing the paper, the organization pledged that arguments for Intelligent Design "will not be addressed in future issues of the Proceedings," regardless of whether the paper passes peer review.

From the perspective of panicked evolutionists, the Intelligent Design movement represents a formidable adversary and a constant irritant. The defenders of Intelligent Design are undermining evolutionary theory at multiple levels, and they refuse to go away. The panicked evolutionists respond with name-calling, labeling Intelligent Design proponents as "creationists," thereby hoping to prevent any scientific debate before it starts.

Intelligent Design is not tantamount to the biblical doctrine of creation. Theologically, Intelligent Design falls far short of requiring any affirmation of the doctrine of creation as revealed in the Bible. Nevertheless, it is a useful and important intellectual tool, and a scientific movement with great promise. The real significance of Intelligent Design theory and its related movement is the success with which it undermines the materialistic and naturalistic worldview central to the theory of evolution.

For the Christian believer, the Bible presents the compelling and authoritative case for God's creation of the cosmos. Specifically, the Bible provides us with the ultimate truth concerning human origins and the special creation of human beings as the creatures made in God's own image. Thus, though we believe in more than Intelligent Design, we certainly do not believe in less. We should celebrate the confusion and consternation now so evident among the evolutionists. Dr. Stephen Meyer's article--and the controversy it has spawned--has caught evolutionary scientists with their intellectual pants down.

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R. Albert Mohler, Jr


TOPICS: Philosophy
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To: betty boop

When you hand pearls to swine, the swine bite your hand. Ad they call it "science". Of course, what swine call "science" is not science at all, but just being an animal.


1,801 posted on 02/06/2005 11:42:09 AM PST by bvw
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To: WildHorseCrash
You assume here that the questions, "what do you believe about..." and "what do you believe is most likely..." are the same question.

No, I did not. I considered that difference when I wrote the question. I hope this clarifies.

1,802 posted on 02/06/2005 11:47:44 AM PST by bvw
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To: bvw
When you hand pearls to swine, the swine bite your hand. Ad they call it "science". Of course, what swine call "science" is not science at all, but just being an animal.

If you have nothing more substantitive to add than this sort of petulant snottiness, I suggest that you bow out and just watch as those who are more capable of cogent contributions have their conversation.

1,803 posted on 02/06/2005 12:09:18 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: WildHorseCrash
Which is more likely to have caused us to be here now as we observe ourselves and the universe around us? (A) G-d (B) God-free Random Processes (C) Don't know (D) Can't be determined.

Was my first question. You answered "B". You rejected C and D because you claim they "safely" don't answer the question "of what occurred, not what is more likely" -- that's your wording. You argue that A requires G-d and random process, and B only random process, therefore the more "logically" likely is B.

Well I can see what algebraic reduction you applied -- that is by you you call in this specific case "logic". While systematic, it is not what is generally called logic.

It is a logic biased by design to exclude G-d, by claiming that G-d is solely the province of belief and not experience or reason. For example many would assert that you cannot have existance without a Creator, nor process without a Designer.

It gets back to an early discussion on this thread about geometry. To create a logical algebra (aka symbolic proof system) about geometry one must first accept as a postulate outside the proof-system a certain small basis set -- that lines parallel at one point never met at another, that the interior angles of a triangle are 180 (euclidean) or over 180 (speherical) or under 180 (hyperbolic). etc. There are various combinations of what constitute the aprior postulates, but there have to be some.

Set theory is similar. Is the null set a set? Is the set of all sets a set?

Thus if you wanted to be most generally logical -- you might have said "Can't be detemined". But you did not -- by that you added a godfree apriori postulate.

However like you, I too, would reject "Don't know". It's a disingenuous cowards' response.

1,804 posted on 02/06/2005 12:10:09 PM PST by bvw
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To: betty boop
Schroedinger makes this explicit; for he says that living systems must produce entropy

[Schroedinger] This seems to suggest that the higher temperature of the warm-blooded animal includes the advantage of enabling it to get rid of its entropy at a quicker rate, so that it can afford a more intense life process. I am not sure how much truth there is in this argument (for which I am responsible, not Simon). One may hold against it, that on the other hand many warm-blooders are protected against the rapid loss of heat by coats of fur or feathers. So the parallelism between body temperature and 'intensity of life', which I believe to exist, may have to be accounted for more directly by van't Hoff's law, mentioned on p. 65: the higher temperature itself speeds up the chemical reactions involved in living. (That it actually does, has been confirmed experimentally in species which take the temperature of the surroundings.)

1,805 posted on 02/06/2005 12:10:23 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: betty boop
So maybe we should just try to understand it?

[Schroedinger]o the physicist - but only to him - I could hope to make my view clearer ...

1,806 posted on 02/06/2005 12:12:00 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: WildHorseCrash
Of these, I am going to assume that you mean by "C" that the entire universe: existence, memories, history, etc., have only existed for a nano-second, and that our belief that it has lasted longer is a mere artifact of the fact that the universe blinked into existence with the appearance that these memories are real. There is no evidence for that.

No evidence? There's no evidence against it. It is one of the possible states of the universe, and as equally possible as any other.

1,807 posted on 02/06/2005 12:12:31 PM PST by bvw
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To: Ichneumon

The "gent" in cogent does not apply in the least to you, Ichy. When you make it so -- when you start acting politely and humbly to those who seem to disagree with your Holy evoCanon, trust that I will respond in kind. Until then I shall more than match you in rudeness.


1,808 posted on 02/06/2005 12:17:18 PM PST by bvw
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To: js1138; Alamo-Girl; marron; Phaedrus; logos; cornelis; ckilmer; StJacques; PatrickHenry; ...
Self organization may play a role in producing change, but selection still shapes the direction of change. It makes no difference what causes or produces the change.

I don't completely agree, js1138. It seems to me that quite definitely selection is what ever shapes the direction of change. But, contrary to what you suggest, it must really make a difference what causes or produces the change, at least to a neo-Darwinist; for the neo-Darwinist insists that only “nature” – i.e., natural selection, understood as prompts coming in from the external environment – can be a source of selection pressure.

But it seems to me that in highly organized living systems, there are a whole lot of other “selections” that have to be made internally to the system, such that all the gadzillions of its constituting parts can operate together, cooperatively and synergistically, so as to maintain the conditions that can support biological life.

IOW, Darwinist evolutionary theory seems to account beautifully for selections made according to the external, environmental pressures, but is entirely silent about the internal, biologically- or organismically-driven ones. And for that reason I continue to suspect that the theory is somehow incomplete as a comprehensive theory of biological life. JMHO FWIW

1,809 posted on 02/06/2005 12:17:24 PM PST by betty boop
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To: bvw

Jeepers, bvw. That sounds so harsh. On the other hand, I cannot say the observation is unjust. Thanks for writing!


1,810 posted on 02/06/2005 12:20:27 PM PST by betty boop
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To: Alamo-Girl

Your distillation of life and functions and anatomy and change seems to be the result of perceived algorithms. Please provide the mathematic equation for the evolutionary developement of truth, beauty,justice,mind. There are a few others which I would like to have you expound upon. Now the purine and pyrimidine bases change to result in these qualities.................Just fill in the blanks with the algebraic equations. Thank you.


1,811 posted on 02/06/2005 12:24:51 PM PST by Texas Songwriter (p)
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To: WildTurkey
deltaS = zero only in reversible processes.

But the second law of thermodynamics refers to non-reversible processes, and only to those.

1,812 posted on 02/06/2005 12:27:24 PM PST by betty boop
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To: betty boop
Darwinist evolutionary theory seems to account beautifully for selections made according to the external, environmental pressures, but is entirely silent about the internal, biologically- or organismically-driven ones.

Actually, Darwin had quite a bit to say about sexual selection. Descent of Man is mostly about sexual selection, not only in mammals generally, but also insects, birds, and man himself.

1,813 posted on 02/06/2005 12:30:34 PM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Good point.


1,814 posted on 02/06/2005 12:37:13 PM PST by bvw
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To: betty boop

Sorry you think me an animal for trying to give you some pointers.


1,815 posted on 02/06/2005 12:49:10 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: betty boop
But it seems to me that in highly organized living systems, there are a whole lot of other “selections” that have to be made internally to the system, such that all the gadzillions of its constituting parts can operate together, cooperatively and synergistically, so as to maintain the conditions that can support biological life.

Your argument was quite effectly argued in 1802 by the Reverend William paley, in "Natural Theology". Darwin was quite familiar with this argument, as are all biologists.

The fact is that mutations are ocurring all the time without destroying life. In plants it is even common to have doublings of chromosomes (not theory, but observation). Life is tougher than you might imagine, and the "design" of living things has more slop and redundancy than you might imagine. Look at all the parts you can remove from a human an still have something that walks around.

Even the brain continues to perceive itself as whole when large chunks of functionality are distroyed by disease or accident.

1,816 posted on 02/06/2005 1:15:38 PM PST by js1138
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To: betty boop
Jeepers, bvw. That sounds so harsh.

Indeed.

On the other hand, I cannot say the observation is unjust.

Excuse me??

1,817 posted on 02/06/2005 1:32:46 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: PatrickHenry
Actually, Darwin had quite a bit to say about sexual selection.

Yeah, PH but -- good grief! Am I the only one around here to notice that, before sexual selection can be put on the table, there has to be a successfully surviving organism capable of having sex in the first place? This is precisely the part of the problem that Darwin seems to leave out of his theory.

1,818 posted on 02/06/2005 1:33:59 PM PST by betty boop
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To: PatrickHenry

Thousands of years, before Darwin, of breeders breeding via well-chosen sexual pairings for characteristics and yet the closest they ever came to a new species was the mule. And it can't reproduce.


1,819 posted on 02/06/2005 1:37:40 PM PST by bvw
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Sorry you think me an animal for trying to give you some pointers.

I could hardly ever conceive of you as an "animal," Doc!!!! For heaven's sake, I'd be justly flayed alive, were I ever to think that for even a moment! Which, BTW, i have never done, not least because you have never given me a reason so to do.

Thank you for giving me all the pointers over a very long time by now. I am pretty sure I haven't sufficiently profited from them; but that's not your fault, and I do keep on trying anyway....

1,820 posted on 02/06/2005 1:40:47 PM PST by betty boop
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