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Check out this bill in Florida. We can't post from that source.

Bill would broaden deadly force rights

1 posted on 01/28/2005 11:32:34 AM PST by neverdem
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2 posted on 01/28/2005 11:34:58 AM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

No Guns ~ No Rights!


3 posted on 01/28/2005 11:36:17 AM PST by blackie
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To: neverdem

Any laws they try to pass should be challenged as UNCONSTITUTIONAL.


4 posted on 01/28/2005 11:37:03 AM PST by RasterMaster (Saddam's family were WMD's - He's behind bars & his sons are DEAD!)
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To: neverdem

Out of San Francisco? Ok, but exactly how do they plan to force them out?


5 posted on 01/28/2005 11:38:00 AM PST by Zeppelin (Keep on FReepin' on.....)
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To: neverdem
Yet another demonstration of the incredible tolerance practiced by the Politicos of San Francisco - If your leanings are to the Far Left or Anti-Gun Rights.

Interesting the approach being followed in SF vs. that in Florida - Two opposite ends of the spectrum.

8 posted on 01/28/2005 11:39:50 AM PST by drt1
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To: neverdem

bang!


9 posted on 01/28/2005 11:42:28 AM PST by Rakkasan1 (john f'n kerry-the original 'million dollar baby'.)
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To: neverdem
"Since the military was not using short-barreled shotguns at the time, the court decided “we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument.”

Wrong wrong wrong!

What the Court actually said was that they didn't KNOW of any military use of short-barreled shotguns.

The exact wording is:
"In the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a 'shotgun having a barrel of less than eighteen inches in length' at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument."

In point of fact, there have been numerous military uses of short-barreled "trench guns."

12 posted on 01/28/2005 11:53:53 AM PST by Redbob
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"“The New England Journal of Medicine found that a handgun in the home makes it 43 times more likely that a friend, family member, or acquaintance will be killed than an intruder.” –– SF Bay Guardian editorial"

I can't believe people still trot out this tired, worn out, discredited statistic!

The Fallacy of “43 to 1” The all-time favorite statistic of the gun-prohibition lobby.

14 posted on 01/28/2005 11:54:44 AM PST by need_a_screen_name
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About 4 years ago our grandson and his family lived 4 doors from a family newly arrived from Mexico. The father had been legally here working and saving money to buy his home and import his family. My Greatkids became chummy with their youngest child (about 9 years old) and on occasion I got to talk with the boy while waiting for the bus to pick the kids up for school. Asking about customs and holiday events, I learned that all boys in Mexico are taught by their fathers to use rifles and hand guns from about the age of 7. I asked the obvious question and was told, "Yes. My Dad takes me out in the farm areas almost every Saturday to shoot at targets. I'll get my own gun as a birthday present in 3 years."
OK. That was 4 years ago. I assume the kid got his present.
I taught high school locally for 30+ years, retiring in '92; I had some boys from Mexico (some legal families/some not...we weren't allowed to discriminate OR report). I KNOW those boys had access to guns, too. When the newspapers came up with stories about guns being brought into our schools by students, guns found in lockers, guns found in teen cars, I was surprised to find that my neighbors were surprised!
The Columbine High situation of '99 was a real eye-opener to some people.
The Mexican kids are taught at an early age that a weapon is their right of passage. Once this becomes known (through the fine art of teen bragging) to the kiddoes born and bred in this country, is it any wonder that some American kids feel they need weapons, too?





17 posted on 01/28/2005 11:57:20 AM PST by Grendel9
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Hear that islamic terrorists: You can take out San Francisco because they won't be able to fight back.


21 posted on 01/28/2005 12:06:52 PM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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http://www.pinkpistols.org/local/sf/index.html
22 posted on 01/28/2005 12:07:23 PM PST by lowbridge
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Let me understand this --first S.F. declared criminal behavior was now legal in San Fran--then they run a pogrom
against law abiding gun owners. What a queer response.


23 posted on 01/28/2005 12:13:56 PM PST by StonyBurk
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The clowns in the San Francisco Board of stupid-visors didn't have to go to these preposterous lengths to twist Miller out of context, they could merely have cited the recent Silviera case that was decided in the infamous 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. The three-judge panel concluded,

"...the Second Amendment imposes no limitation on California's [or any other state's] ability to enact legislation regulating or prohibiting the possession or use of firearms" and ...."does not confer an individual right to own or possess firearms." See Silviera for a discussion

24 posted on 01/28/2005 12:17:38 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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This little exercise in futility may in the end be good for RKBA advocates and those who insist upon liberty. A lawsuit will no doubt ensue over this insanity that may once again wind up in the 9th Circuit who will no doubt uphold the ordinance, thus setting up yet another appeal to the US SC. While I don't really trust those distinguished gentlemen (and that buttwipe, Ruth Bader Ginsburg) this ban also involves a confiscation, a move so ludicrous that the SC might finally have to "do the right thing" and actually rule in line with the Constitution (for a change). It is more likely that the California Supreme Court will hear the appeal. Although those bastards upheld the West Hollywood "Saturday Night Special" ban, the San Francisco ban goes much much further; to the point of confiscation.


26 posted on 01/28/2005 12:24:14 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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“With obvious purpose to assure the continuation and render possible the effectiveness of such forces the declaration and guarantee of the Second Amendment were made.”

I'm not sure this was a correct interpretation. In the second amendments language "well regulated" was a qualifier for the militia, not the people.

It seems more likely the second amendment was saying, although the federal government has to have control of an army to secure our state, the citizens are protected from misuse of this army by their own right to have their own arms.

The context of the bill of rights was, after all, to ease the peoples fears that the new government might become a tyranny.

27 posted on 01/28/2005 12:28:29 PM PST by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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From linked article:

Prosecutors and police officers say it's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist — that there is no case of someone being prosecuted for use of deadly force when they were protecting their home.

They said the same thing about gay marriage, and the Defense of Marriage Act.

The article should have mentioned that the District of Columbia has a changing demographic. The city is pushing the poorer people to the suburbs, and the crime rates are rising there as a result. The crime will not rise as swiftly because all of the bordering areas allow gun ownership, and Virginia is a concealed carry state (we do not need a permit for open carry).

29 posted on 01/28/2005 12:31:34 PM PST by Sthitch
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Can we start using force against those who want to take our Rights away? After all, any other civil Rights violation like this would be a Felony right? So we would be "stopping the commission of a Felony" by these Gun Grabbers in a sense.

Think it'd be an affirmative defense in court?

Yeah... me neither. Too bad the Constitution is on our side but the Law isn't....

35 posted on 01/28/2005 12:58:19 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.)
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Truth? Gun banners don’t need no stinkin’ truth!


36 posted on 01/28/2005 1:00:56 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: neverdem
Check out this bill in Florida. We can't post from that source.

Bill would broaden deadly force rights

There was a thread last week about Florida bill S-436.

43 posted on 01/28/2005 1:59:06 PM PST by snowsislander
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Good article and good references too. Facts demolish their emotion-driven arguments.


44 posted on 01/28/2005 2:33:21 PM PST by Tarantulas
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