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ACTRESS SLAIN
NY Post ^ | January 28, 2005 | MURRAY WEISS, PATRICK GALLAHUE and RICH CALDER

Posted on 01/28/2005 5:41:03 AM PST by Pharmboy

Rick Dembow January 28, 2005 -- A stunning 28-year-old actress died in her fiancé's arms yesterday after a Lower East Side thug answered her challenge — "What are you going to do, shoot us?" — by firing a single bullet into her chest, cops said. Nicole DuFresne, of Brooklyn, had just left a trendy bar with her fiancé and another couple when they were confronted at about 3:15 a.m. by four muggers — two men and two women — at the corner of Clinton and Rivington streets, police said. One of the thugs, who was carrying a gun, demanded money. DuFresne's fiancé, Jeffrey Sparks, 28, not seeing the mugger had a gun and not taking the request seriously, tried to push past the man.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; crime; darwinaward; dufresne; hangemhigh; murder; robbery; standuptocrime; victimsrights
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To: theDentist

The Manhattan district attorney has stated that we will never seek the death penalty for crimes committed in Manhattan.


121 posted on 01/28/2005 7:04:32 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: RogueIsland

I don't have a victim attitude. Assume that fact without reservation. However, the best defense against muggers is simply to not put yourself in a position to be mugged. That is, playing the odds. Knowing where you are and who is there with you at all times. If you are mugged, then complete the transaction as quickly as possible.


122 posted on 01/28/2005 7:05:16 AM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: durasell
Concealed carry doesn't work. I've been mugged in pretty much the same way. The mugger always has the element of surprise. No time to reach for a gun. If you think there's a chance you can shoot him as he's getting away, then you're into a gunfight in NYC and the potential of hitting someone who just happens to be walking their dog.

Works in Texas. You never know what the dog may be packing.:-)

123 posted on 01/28/2005 7:07:14 AM PST by River_Wrangler (You can't be lost if you don't care where you are!)
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To: Petronski

Yeah, that should tell the anti-gun lobby how stupid they sound and are.


124 posted on 01/28/2005 7:09:19 AM PST by Pippin (Gonna stress out a few liberals)
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To: Petronski
That's the comforting part.

My prayers go out to her fiance who had to watch her die.

125 posted on 01/28/2005 7:10:09 AM PST by Pippin (Gonna stress out a few liberals)
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To: Ghengis
You can maintain a strong attitude and body positioning without using a penetrating/challenging gaze and confrontational stance. ....correct.

He knows that he has you in a vulnerable position. It is wise to not make him feel like he has to prove it to you.
The first thing he is looking for is a victim, he doesn't know who that is, he picks his victim based on his assumption of being able to mug you successfully. Who do you think would get mugged first, the man that looks scared and crosses to the other side of the street in a hurry or the guy that looks aware, firm, yet not in a confronting manner?
126 posted on 01/28/2005 7:10:52 AM PST by TheForceOfOne (Social Security – I thought pyramid schemes were illegal!)
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To: Pharmboy
I had a carry permit in NYC for 19 years...and then Giuliani came in and I (along with thousands of others) could not re-up for it. Just remember that fact (and that he supports late term abortions) before we all get goopy eyed about him running for POTUS.

Despite his admirable performance on 9/11, Giuliani is a RINO and unfit for the White House. Fortunately, we don't have to worry about it. He would never make it through the primaries.

His Leftist ideological stands --rigidly anti-gun rights, pro-'gay' rights, and pro-abortion-- alone would preclude Giuliani's winning enough delegates to get the nomination.

And there's one other factor I believe would sink him: His personal life. Unlike Dims who slobbered all over Clinton, conservatives won't take kindly to a man who dumped his first two wives and carried on affairs publicly while married.

127 posted on 01/28/2005 7:11:31 AM PST by shhrubbery!
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To: Pharmboy

No, I'm not a liberal. But let me run down how a NYC mugging happens. You get some kid (16-24) who is jacked up on adrenalin. He jumps out and surprises you. The gun is up and about 6 inches from either your chest or your head, depending on where you are in the city.

At this point there's no opportunity to reach for a piece or to shoot, even if you have one in your hand. So you hand him the wallet, cash, etc.

The gun is still out and still pointed at you. At this point he has a choice. He can either shoot you or take the money and run. Most take the money and run.

Now, the kid is halfway down the block. You have a choice: either pull your piece and shoot or call 911. If you do shoot, I promise you, you will hit something that breaks. Either a car window or a person or a store window. You may hit the mugger, in which case your life becomes a hell for the next six months before you are cleared. You will need a lawyer. You will miss work. Best case scenario, you hit a store window.That's about $1,100 to replace. And you will need a lawyer and you will miss work.


128 posted on 01/28/2005 7:11:57 AM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Living Free in NH

One less pro-choice voter, based on that site.


129 posted on 01/28/2005 7:12:09 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: GianniV
And studies show that crime has plummetted in counties or cities that allow concealed carry.

So true.

GUN OWNERSHIP MANDATORY IN KENNESAW, GEORGIA (Crime Rate Plummets)

130 posted on 01/28/2005 7:12:20 AM PST by Quilla
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To: durasell

And what if the transaction is 20 sexual minutes in the back alley with you girlfriend?


131 posted on 01/28/2005 7:13:40 AM PST by TheForceOfOne (Social Security – I thought pyramid schemes were illegal!)
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To: Ghengis; TheForceOfOne
"You can maintain a strong attitude and body positioning without using a penetrating/challenging gaze and confrontational stance. ....correct."

Phew. Is it getting a little warm in here, or is it just...me?

132 posted on 01/28/2005 7:15:26 AM PST by Miss Behave (Beloved daughter of Miss Creant, super sister of danged Miss Ology, and proud mother of Miss Hap.)
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To: Petronski

Manhattan always seems to have one of these "White Liberal Senselessly Murdered by Black Kids" stories every few years. Flashback:

http://www.cnn.com/US/9810/20/levin.trial/


133 posted on 01/28/2005 7:15:48 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: TheForceOfOne

Then you're already dead before the idea of the alley enters their mind. You never see the gun, and you never see them.


134 posted on 01/28/2005 7:16:15 AM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Pharmboy
One of the thugs, who was carrying a gun,

HOW CAN THIS BE?? This is NYC where it is ILLEGAL to carry a gun unless you are a cop or a celebrity. We can assume that the victims would have recognized a celebrity, so the only conclusion anyone can draw is that they were mugged by cops.

The other unthinkable (for the idiots who live and vote in NYC) conclusion is that criminals don't obey gun laws, but Bloomturd, Sara Brady and NY's "finest" have all said repeatedly that this isn't true and that the police will protect you.

This story must be a mistake.

135 posted on 01/28/2005 7:16:37 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
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To: durasell
OK, I believe that you are not a lib. And, you sound smart enough to know that sometimes muggings go down just like you say and sometimes they don't. As a law-abiding citizen, I STILL want the right to carry and decide whether or not to use my weapon.

Yes sometimes I would not choose to, but other times I would. I WANT THAT CHOICE and do not want to depend on some judge, legislator or mayor for that right. See: Bill of Rights, 2nd Amendment.

136 posted on 01/28/2005 7:17:04 AM PST by Pharmboy (Dems lie because they have to)
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To: 2banana
NYC - Where law abiding citizens subjects are unarmed victims...
137 posted on 01/28/2005 7:18:00 AM PST by magslinger (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. B. Franklin)
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To: Pharmboy
Condolences to her friends and family. I really feel for her fiance' too.

Sometimes hindsight is 20-20. Sometimes we all can see why something happened and how it could have been prevented. But she was still killed by monsters who should be held accountable for their actions.
138 posted on 01/28/2005 7:19:50 AM PST by najida (Life is too short not to....Oh heck, life is just too dang short.)
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To: snowsislander
Her defiance was dangerously foolish in these circumstances, but blaming the victim is wrong.

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Her defiance is most likely what got her killed. Acknowledging that isn't blaming the victim, especially when it is clear that her response to seeing a gun pointed at her was so obviously exactly the wrong one. She wasn't just an unlucky victim, she contributed to her own death.

It's a lesson that many who read about this sad story should learn.

139 posted on 01/28/2005 7:21:06 AM PST by trisham
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To: Pharmboy

The last time I was mugged the guy took the $40 I had in my pocket, but missed the $20,000 I had stuffed in my boots (bar receipts for a night deposit).

I'm certain there are scenarios that I could think of that require a gun. A friend of mine did collections for a check cashing place and he carried a gun.

As for myself, if I'm out at 3 a.m., I try to stay on busy streets and take cabs.


140 posted on 01/28/2005 7:21:36 AM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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