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Republicans Squaring Off Over Bush Plan on Immigration
NY Times ^ | January 27, 2005 | DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK

Posted on 01/27/2005 7:15:50 PM PST by neverdem

WASHINGTON, Jan. 26 - The battle within the Republican Party over immigration policy was joined Wednesday as President Bush vigorously promoted his proposal for a guest worker program and conservatives in Congress introduced an alternative proposal to tighten immigration restrictions.

At a news conference, President Bush said again that he considered his guest worker proposal "a priority" even though Senate Republicans left it off their list of top goals. "A program that enables people to come into our country in a legal way to work for a period of time, for jobs that Americans won't do, will help make it easier for us to secure our borders," Mr. Bush said, adding: "I know there is a compassionate, humane way to deal with this issue. I want to remind people that family values do not end at the Rio Grande border."

Party conservatives, however, have strenuously opposed a guest worker plan since Mr. Bush introduced the idea in 2001, even staging a losing revolt over its inclusion in the party platform at the 2004 Republican convention. Many conservatives call the president's ideas "amnesty" - a term Mr. Bush disputes - because his plan includes ways for currently illegal immigrants to obtain temporary worker permits.

On Wednesday afternoon, Representative F. James Sensenbrenner Jr., the Wisconsin Republican who is chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, again introduced a measure to block illegal immigrants from obtaining driver's licenses.

At a news conference, he said the committee would not consider other immigration proposals, implicitly including the president's, until his own measure passed. A similar measure was removed from a bill to enact the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission last year. Senator Jon Kyl, Republican of Arizona, is expected to introduce a driver's license restriction this year.

Mr. Sensenbrenner said his bill was primarily directed at border security, distinguishing it from other changes in immigration policy. "Immigrants are not terrorists, except a few of them," he said. "The legislation that was introduced today is designed to get the bad apples out of the barrel before the barrel was spoiled."

He said a group of House Republicans had written a letter to Mr. Bush urging him to provide full financing for provisions in last year's antiterrorism bill doubling the number of border patrol agents and tripling the number of beds for detaining illegal immigrants over the next five years. The Department of Homeland Security said recently that it was planning a smaller increase in financing, drawing the ire of advocates of tighter immigration laws.

Asked about the president's proposal, Mr. Sensenbrenner said his committee was "going to be plenty busy with other priorities, a lot of which are the priorities of the White House."

In an interview, Representative Chris Cannon, a Utah Republican who supports the president's plan, said a guest worker program would not amount to an amnesty because it would include a monetary penalty for currently illegal immigrants. "The people who want to kick them all out are not reasonable people," he said.

But Representative Tom Tancredo, Republican of Colorado and chairman of the Congressional immigration caucus, vowed to defeat any program that in his view would reward lawbreakers, even questioning the president's motives. "Could it be just the corporate interests, the money interests that rely so heavily on cheap labor?" he asked


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Canada; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; US: Colorado; US: District of Columbia; US: Utah; US: Wisconsin; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aliens; bordersecurity; bush43; bushamnesty; gopmodsquad; illegalaliens; immigrantlist; immigration; immigrationplan; rino; sensenbrenner; w2
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To: Dat Mon

Well, in a perfect world, that wouldn't be the case, but I guess it's not a perfect world. I don't argue that any "guest workers" or whatever they're going to be called should receive any kind of government aid. Their ability to stay here should be contingent on their employment and on their ability to meet their financial obligations, and that includes medical bills and all these issues that are being raised here.

But then again, maybe I'm being too ideal here.


161 posted on 01/27/2005 10:33:21 PM PST by Joe Taranto
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

LOL, agreed.


162 posted on 01/27/2005 10:33:46 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: janetgreen
Well, if I can be truthful here, he's another race baiting, pro criminal individual. This has been well documented and memorialized on this site. Why they put up with these individuals, I don't know, and can only surmise, these individual are forking over money.

If anyone else has an explanation, I'd like to hear it.

163 posted on 01/27/2005 10:35:10 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (No more illegal alien sympathizers from Texas. America has one too many.)
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To: Joe Hadenuf; janetgreen
Why they put up with these individuals, I don't know

Yes you do. Illegal immigration is not an issue with Jim Rob. Remember?

Hell, I even got a warning from him today.

164 posted on 01/27/2005 10:37:42 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: Marine Inspector
I guess maybe I ought to shut up then, before I get a warning or axed.

But to be truthful again, I really don't give damn.

165 posted on 01/27/2005 10:40:31 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (No more illegal alien sympathizers from Texas. America has one too many.)
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To: ichabod1
One thing I think would be a good idea would be to pass a law withholding federal funds from cities that have sanctuary rules, where the police can't ask about a suspects immigration status.

I like the idea. If it was tied to the potential of public health concerns, i.e. such as the spread of drug resistant tuberculosis and Chagas' Disease, there might be a chance. Either public health arguments should be persuasive, or public health arguments should have no standing, especially with respect to second hand smoke.

166 posted on 01/27/2005 10:40:44 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: bayourod

How old are you?

Old enough to know better, and to have seen a few things along the way.

And young enough to...

And you?


167 posted on 01/27/2005 10:42:19 PM PST by Dat Mon (will work for clever tagline)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
I really don't give damn.

Neither do I.

168 posted on 01/27/2005 10:43:03 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: Marine Inspector
Hell, I even got a warning from him today.

YOU did? Join the crowd... :^)

169 posted on 01/27/2005 10:45:53 PM PST by janetgreen (Uh, President Bush, do you know (or care) that Mexico is invading us?)
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To: Joe Hadenuf

Should I turn myself in? I haven't received a warning yet.


170 posted on 01/27/2005 10:50:03 PM PST by politicalwit (Import poverty...hire an illegal today)
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To: Indie

"but something called SOVEREIGNTY does begin and end there."

You got a point.


171 posted on 01/27/2005 10:51:26 PM PST by Cindy
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To: LibertarianInExile
I would normally agree with federalist ideas, but this is definitely an idea which won't do what you're hoping it will at the state level.

Agreed. I am curious to what you think a realistic solution to this would be - many say that fencing and patrolling the border is not practical. I don't know...

I'm thinking that the best way to combat the problem is to allow the state governments to cut off social services to illegals - with a constitutional amendment if necessary. I am not usually one to want amendments, but it seems like the courts are interpreting the constitution as giving non-citzens the same rights as citizens.

The next step would be to go after employers. I know this resembles the failed war on drugs, but the number of employers are much smaller and easier to find since the illegal workers are in public.

I also don't buy the "they do jobs that American's won't do" line. Who did the jobs before illegals?

172 posted on 01/27/2005 10:56:02 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: pbrown
Bush is 100% wrong on this issue and I will state that when need be, but, bashing him is wrong.

That is the problem - Bush knows its wrong but he's doing it anyway. Look, Bush really stepped up to the plate after 9/11 and he is lot better choice that Gore or Kerry, but he has basically been in a vote buying mode for 5 years.

He has tried to buy votes with the prescription bill. Then he tried it with the "No Child Left Behind" bill. He has always tried to buy votes buy looking the other way when it comes to immigration. He gave us a litle nibble on the tax cut buy really hasn't forced through anything really meaninful in terms of tax reform.

If Bush doesn't step up to the plate on issues like really matter then we are going to get another 8 years of a democratic president.

173 posted on 01/27/2005 11:05:44 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: Joe Taranto
You said..."Their ability to stay here should be contingent on their employment and on their ability to meet their financial obligations, and that includes medical bills and all these issues that are being raised here."

I totally agree.

In all fairness, that is one criteria that proponents of a guest worker bill could use as a rationale...and it would be a valid one IF they promised that the language requiring the employers to provide the insurance and health coverage and other social costs such as education, child care, etc. was mandatory in the bill, and IF the enforcement and border security precedent had already been established to vigorously enforce immigration laws.

So, in effect, with an effective guest worker bill..all the existing illegals collecting gov handouts would suddenly be covered by employers health and insurance policies.

But can we realistically expect that to happen?

I doubt it, considering the fact that the rate of illegal immigration has outstripped the rate of new job creation, so one has to assume that a sizable proportion of illegals are currently unemployed. What happens to these people with a guest worker bill?

Of course, then the question becomes, if you require an employer to pay the same costs for a guest worker across the board, maybe higher if you include mandatory health coverage, then where is the incentive to pursue the program in the first place?

Would proponents of a guest worker bill go along with the provision that only the worker himself was allowed in to work...NOT the family? If we need labor...why do we need the attendant social costs of the family as well?

If employers are willing to pay a premium to acquire labor resources they cannot get, and must have to expand or function, then that is one thing.

If they are looking for a cheap, easy way to grow business and increase profits by underbidding the American labor market, using big daddy gov as an enabler, then that is quite another thing.
174 posted on 01/27/2005 11:06:08 PM PST by Dat Mon (will work for clever tagline)
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To: JeffAtlanta
If Bush doesn't step up to the plate on issues like really matter then we are going to get another 8 years of a democratic president.

Can you say Hillary? She's waiting to pounce on this issue in the 2008 election.

175 posted on 01/27/2005 11:10:32 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: politicalwit
Should I turn myself in? I haven't received a warning yet.

Your not trying hard enough. Keep at it.

176 posted on 01/27/2005 11:11:15 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Can you say Hillary? She's waiting to pounce on this issue in the 2008 election.

I agree. Seriously, I would like to hear a good, cogent argument on why illegals are good for this country. The "they do work American's won't do" isn't a good one as someone had to do the work before the illegals. Its also not a fair point since illegals do the work on a cash basis without having social security, Medicare or income tax constraints.

I'm still waiting to see what the difference between a democratic president and George W Bush will be. If Bush is going to grow the government with silly, useless programs while ignoring our borders then why have him? The fight against terrorism is useless if we going to leave our borders unguarded - we would be better to just have a democrat come in a buy off the terrorists.

177 posted on 01/27/2005 11:17:58 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: JeffAtlanta
I would like to hear a good, cogent argument on why illegals are good for this country.

They're not except for the corporations who profit off of them. I do think this is the last open borders president we're going to see, by 2008 both candidates will be in competition over who can be tougher about getting all immigration under control.

178 posted on 01/27/2005 11:22:51 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: bayourod
"Another urban rumor that has been dispelled. Hospitals don't go out of business because they have too many patients, they go out of business when they have too few."

Bayourod you are hopeless. Hospitals go out of business WHEN THEY DON'T GET PAID!!! It takes PAYING patients to pay the bills. Illegals don't pay, they just mooch for free.

179 posted on 01/27/2005 11:27:38 PM PST by holyscroller (A wise man's heart directs him toward the right, but the foolish man's heart directs him to the left)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Bayorod routinely comes on here with his vile race baiting, open border, party before country crap, and you get warned? Something is very, very wrong with this picture.

Yep and has been for a long time...now I'LL get SUSPENDED for that. /probably true sarc

180 posted on 01/27/2005 11:34:47 PM PST by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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