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Did the "Liberal Media" Get the 2004 Election All Wrong? (Don't know whether to laugh or spew)
The Free Press ^ | January 16, 2005 | Gene C. Gerard

Posted on 01/27/2005 4:53:47 PM PST by The Loan Arranger

In the days and few weeks immediately following the election last year, the media pronounced gloom and doom for the Democratic Party and its constituents, such as gay rights advocates. Journalists and media outlets of the left and the right, including The New York Times, The Washington Post, CNN, and Newsweek, among most others, announced that the Democrats were down and out, and that the evangelical Christians and the Republicans were the rising power. They divided the country into red states and blue states, and offered up glossy maps to show that most states were red and therefore Republican strongholds.

The New York Times, in a special news analysis, announced that “President Bush’s re-election is the clearest confirmation yet that America is a center-right country.” Newsweek was even bolder, reporting not only that the “GOP may be the majority party for the foreseeable future,” but that “red-state Democrats are a diminishing breed.” The media even succeeded in encouraging the venerable Democratic strategist James Carville to say, in an interview only forty-eight hours after the election, “We are an opposition party and not a particularly effective one. The Democratic Party died Tuesday.”

Now that two months have passed, the dust has settled, and the election has finally been concluded (Washington’s gubernatorial election was not decided until December 30), perhaps it would be worthwhile to look at a few of those red states. Did the media get it wrong, or at least exaggerate a bit? Were the Democrats and their values trounced in the election?

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TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bluevsred; bush; bushvictory; democrats; gop; kerry; loonyleft; moveon; tinfoilhats
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1 posted on 01/27/2005 4:53:49 PM PST by The Loan Arranger
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To: The Loan Arranger
Were the Democrats and their values trounced in the election?

Yes, they were!
2 posted on 01/27/2005 4:57:10 PM PST by wolfpat (Dum vivimus, vivamus)
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To: The Loan Arranger
"Were the Democrats and their values trounced in the election?" In a word, YES.
3 posted on 01/27/2005 4:57:12 PM PST by Danae (Dims, making the world brighter by comparison)
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To: wolfpat

Dang it! Ya beat me to it! lol


4 posted on 01/27/2005 4:57:36 PM PST by Danae (Dims, making the world brighter by comparison)
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To: The Loan Arranger

It just goes to show that the media is always wrong. This time, it's not because they erroneously portrayed the election as a Republican romp, but rather because they portrayed it as a Republican squeaker and then wrote this story saying that they got it wrong by claiming earlier that it was a Republican blow-out.


5 posted on 01/27/2005 4:57:51 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: The Loan Arranger

I say laugh.

First of all, these jokers are hilarious. They haen't got a clue, and they don't even have a clue about how clueless they really are. If that's not funny, I don't know what is.

Second, it's a real joy to see just how marginal and ineffective these people are making themselves.

Third, laughter is good for the soul.

So, laugh away!


6 posted on 01/27/2005 4:58:57 PM PST by John Valentine
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To: The Loan Arranger
Correction: It is the libel media.
7 posted on 01/27/2005 4:59:28 PM PST by Nachum
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To: Danae

13 new states with Constitutional Amendments banning gay Marriage.

Tom Daschle defeated.

George W. Bush Re elected.

Looks like yes to me.


8 posted on 01/27/2005 5:03:30 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (Certified cause of Post Traumatic Redhead Syndrome)
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To: The Loan Arranger
From the article:
Regarding Arkansas: "Pulaski County Circuit Judge Timothy Fox ruled that a 1999 ban by a state agency had nothing to do with protecting the health and welfare of children, but was an attempt to regulate “public morality,” which is beyond the agency’s power. Judge Fox also found that the children of gay parents are as well-adjusted as any other children. Red, you say? "

Activist judge ALERT!

When todays liberal wing of the democrat party has to quote the machinations of an activist judge abusing his power not granted at the ballot box, you know the party is on the way out.

9 posted on 01/27/2005 5:05:38 PM PST by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans.)
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To: The Loan Arranger

Since when do we give any legitimacy to an extreme left wing blog? Did you look at their other articles?


10 posted on 01/27/2005 5:08:47 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: The Loan Arranger

I am not sure that I voted FOR Bush in 2004 as much as I voted AGAINST Kerry. I did vote FOR Bush in 2000. I did not vote FOR Dole in 1996, I voted against Clinton. You may say that I am playing a semantic game but there was one thing the media got very wrong. The media kept misreading the right track-wrong track question on the polls. They thought the wrong track numbers would translate into a Kerry victory, but there were a lot of people like me who thought the country was on the wrong track and did not need to get farther off track with an effete elitist liberal no nothing snob like Kerry in the White House. That said the Republicans need to accomplish some things in Bush's 2nd term, because they cannot always count on the Democrats doing the stupid thing and nominating the most liberal Senator from the most liberal state. I think the Republicans would have difficulty beating a Birch Bayh from Indiana especially with the lack of talent on the Republican bench and with the media throwing names like McCain and Guliani as serious contenders for the nomination. Bayh and a lot of other Democrats could beat either one of those boys in a general election. My own pick of a conservative candidate for 2008 is the Governor of South Carolina.


11 posted on 01/27/2005 5:15:30 PM PST by Biblebelter
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To: Graybeard58
It's not so much legitimacy, as it is knowing what the other side is up to.
12 posted on 01/27/2005 5:15:41 PM PST by wolfpat (Dum vivimus, vivamus)
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To: wolfpat

They were not trounced. It is more accurate to say they were humiliated, bludgeoned, garrotted, disemboweled, drawn and quartered, mulched, and fed to drooling, emaciated coyotes.

Just a clarification.


13 posted on 01/27/2005 5:17:14 PM PST by JennysCool (I was so naive as a kid I used to sneak behind the barn and do nothing. -Johnny Carson)
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To: The Loan Arranger
I only read half of it . . the rest is blathering liberal drivel.

Here are the important facts:
1) The Conservative Movement has the White House (twice)
2) The Conservative Movement has a majority in the Senate (twice)
3) The Conservative Movement has a majority in the House (since 1992)
4) The Conservative Movement has the majority of Governorship's across the 50 states.
5) The Conservative Movement has a majority in the majority of state legislatures across the 50 states.

Put simply, todays American liberal should concentrate on running for sherriff races and local school boards untill they can demonstrate a willingness to lead on the issues that define the times.

Todays American liberal, across the federal and local level, lacks a mandate from the people at the ballot box AND THANK GOD !

14 posted on 01/27/2005 5:17:22 PM PST by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans.)
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To: ChadGore
You're right about the rest of the article being drivel. If you read the last paragraph, you could hook a generator to it, there's so much spin....
15 posted on 01/27/2005 5:21:52 PM PST by wolfpat (Dum vivimus, vivamus)
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To: ChadGore
Todays American liberal, across the federal and local level, lacks a mandate from the people at the ballot box AND THANK GOD !

Shh... Don't give them advice. ;-)

16 posted on 01/27/2005 5:28:55 PM PST by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: The Loan Arranger
Thing is, there are really three parties in America:

There is a culturally conservative party that is mostly in the GOP. However, some of the cultural conservatives are minorities who presently vote for the Democrats. I'd estimate that this is 35-40% of the electorate.

There is a left-wing party, made up of extreme environmentalists, socialists, and America-haters. I'd guess this is about 15-25% of the electorate. They are almost all Democrats -- or in minor parties to the left of this.

Finally, there is a centrist party, who are generally libertarian to moderate on economic and cultural issues. They are split about 40-50% of the electorate. Whether they tend to vote GOP or Democrat depends on whether the cultural conservatives or the left-wingers scare them more.

Personally, I'm one of these centrists who hates the left and isn't scared of the right; therefore, I am a strong partisan Republican. I think that there is a slight tendency in this direction among the moderates at this time, particularly post-9/11, what with so many of the left blaming America.

The result of this is, in a national election, the GOP may have a stronger hold at present. Particularly since the GOP cannot presently win unless it holds on to its cultural conservatives and the Dems cannot compete without their left-wingers.

However, at the state and local levels, a moderate Democrat can win in red states, as per the examples in this article, when he or she rejects the left. Similarly a moderate Republican, who rejects the cultural conservatives can win in a Blue state, as per Giuliani, Pataki, and Schwarzenegger, to name a few.

It is possible that over the next several decades we might see the parties break apart and reform like this, Cultural conservative blacks and Hispanics leaving the Dems for the GOP could make the GOP large enough and the Democrats weak enough to justify the GOP splitting into two major parties. I don't know how likely it is. There are times I think it's quite likely; others where I don't think there's a chance of it happening. However, I think it would, at least, make politics more reflective of American opinion. Whether it would make it more effective, I don't know.

17 posted on 01/27/2005 5:29:31 PM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: The Loan Arranger
I'll give the Free Press credit for a new type of lie. They actually say, repeatedly, that the reelection of incumbent Democrats to Congress means that the "voters really didn't mean it" when they elected Bush over Kerry. Anyone with the slightest knowledge of American politics knows that incumbents in Congress, Republican or Democrat, tend to win reelection at least 90% of the time.

Therefore an argument based on that predicate is no more than saying that fire is hot, water is wet, or the Pope is Catholic. NO ONE ELSE is making this argument in public where people who read and know things can read it. Maybe there's a reason for that?

Did I miss anything?

Congressman Billybob

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18 posted on 01/27/2005 5:30:00 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.)
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To: wolfpat
"Were the Democrats and their values trounced in the election?"

It depends on what you mean by "values," don't you think?

Liberals are such political opportunists it's difficult to tell what "values" they have in mind.

19 posted on 01/27/2005 5:41:36 PM PST by Reactionary
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To: The Loan Arranger
Small technical note: The Washington state gubernatorial race isn't a done deal yet. The Secretary of State (Sam Reed) certified Fraudoire on Dec 30, he also certified Rossi Nov 30.

With voter fraud in a complete free-fall, and the courts involved, the outcome is still anybody's guess.....
20 posted on 01/27/2005 5:42:28 PM PST by rockrr (Revote or Revolt! It's up to you Washington!)
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