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Civilian Deaths 'Reaching 10,000'
London Daily Telegraph | January 27, 2005 | By Anton La Guardia

Posted on 01/27/2005 9:12:09 AM PST by mark502inf

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To: Frumious Bandersnatch

They need to get it up to at least 80,000,000 -- that's the lower estmate of the number killed by Communist governments.


41 posted on 01/27/2005 9:59:26 AM PST by expatpat
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To: mark502inf
More civilians have died since the end of Saddam Hussein's regime than during the invasion to topple him, according to Iraq Body Count.

That's because when the Americans were doing the bombing, we didn't TARGET civilians. Also, WAY fewer Iraqis have died since this war began than when Sadaam was still in power!

Who is killing all these Iraqi civilians, now? Their Muslim brothers are doing the killing, and I think with the election this weekend, we'll see just what the Iraqis think of the terrorists in their midst.

42 posted on 01/27/2005 10:00:04 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: mark502inf
# Iraq, Saddam Hussein (1979-2003):

300 000 * Human Rights Watch: "twenty-five years of Ba`th Party rule ... murdered or 'disappeared' some quarter of a million Iraqis" [http://www.hrw.org/wr2k4/3.htm]* 8/9 Dec. 2003 AP: Total murders

o New survey estimates 61,000 residents of Baghdad executed by Saddam.
o US Government estimates a total of 300,000 murders
+ 180,000 Kurds k. in Anfal
+ 60,000 Shiites in 1991
+ 50,000 misc. others executed

o "Human rights officials" est.: 500,000
o Iraqi politicians: over a million
* [These don't include the million or so dead in the Iran-Iraq War.]
* personal note. Iran-Iraq estimate is both sides.. splits range from 30-70 to 50-50...*

source link

I found varying estimates on death tolls depending on where you go, who you ask, who does the telling..
Regardless, Saddam was on a par with Pol Pot for murdering his own people..
And we're pretty sure he was not above hunting down "special targets" in other countries and having them eliminated..

43 posted on 01/27/2005 10:01:52 AM PST by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Da Bilge Troll
It's an extension of same tired old liberal argument. It's never the malefactor's fault. The cold-blooded killer had a bad childhood, so it's his parents' fault. Or he is a member of an "oppressed" group, so it's "society's" fault. Or he has low intelligence, so it's nature's fault. The bank robbers who start throwing out bodies when the police have them surrounded are similarly excused. Afterall, they wouldn't have been "forced" to murder if the police had not provoked them by enforcing the laws against robbing banks and taking hostages.

Of course, these same liberals have no objection to the slaughter at Waco under Clinton.

44 posted on 01/27/2005 10:02:18 AM PST by Bonaparte (Of course, it must look like an accident...)
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To: mark502inf

This is just as looney as the Sunnis calling for a six-month delay in the elections because of a lack of security. The lack of security is because of the Sunnis blowing up everything in sight with IEDs.


45 posted on 01/27/2005 10:04:27 AM PST by Bean Counter (Revote or Revolt!)
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To: expatpat

Hey, I tell you what. Why not split the difference and call it, oh say, 5 billions. After all, they would never lie to us, would they....


46 posted on 01/27/2005 10:10:15 AM PST by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: mark502inf; All
At least the Iraqi Body Count site explains why they do not use the 100,000 killed number. Unfortunately, they are not willing to expose the number as being totally false and do give it some credibility.
47 posted on 01/27/2005 10:10:20 AM PST by Michael.SF. (When true genius appears, you may know him by this - the dunces are all in confederacy against him.")
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To: Drammach

Good link on the casualties, Drammach. Thanks.


48 posted on 01/27/2005 10:12:56 AM PST by mark502inf
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To: Michael.SF.
At least the Iraqi Body Count site explains why they do not use the 100,000 killed number. Unfortunately, they are not willing to expose the number as being totally false and do give it some credibility.

They may know the Lancet is wrong, but their first loyalty is to the credo of "No enemies on the left".

49 posted on 01/27/2005 10:14:30 AM PST by mark502inf
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To: mark502inf

Mr Sloboda: "In a very real sense we are responsible for them."

Well....you need to do a better job of protecting them.


50 posted on 01/27/2005 10:22:25 AM PST by SwinneySwitch (America, bless God.)
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To: mark502inf

So at which point will the Iraqi people finally get sick and tired of this, say enough is enough and deal with this scum themselves? Hell, like every house has an AK. Or is it always going to be Americans or Brits or whom ever who has to clean up their own mess. Mind boggling, considering the vast majority of the casualties are civilians.


51 posted on 01/27/2005 10:31:48 AM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: ichabod1

"It's all Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics, as Mark Twain wrote."

The quote is "There are lies, damned lies, and statistics." The originator was Benjamin Disraeli, 19th Century Prime Minister of Great Britain.


52 posted on 01/27/2005 10:41:10 AM PST by bowzer313
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To: mark502inf
In other news, over 42,000 die in automobile accidents in the United States each year.

The good news is blacks, homosexuals, the homeless, women and children are affected least.

53 posted on 01/27/2005 11:00:55 AM PST by G.Mason (A war mongering, UN hating, military industrial complex loving, Al Qaeda incinerating American.)
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To: mark502inf
"Very few of those deaths would have occurred had the US and UK not decided to invade," said Mr Sloboda, "In a very real sense we are responsible for them."

What a bunch of CRAP!!.. First of all how many of these civilians were killed by terrorists or bathists? Secondly, given Saddam and his regime killed roughly 2 MILLION IRAQIs during his 30 years in power, that means another roughly 56,666 Iraqi' civilians in the last 12 months would have been dead, along with this 10,000 number JUST TO EQUAL the AVERAGE of Saddams abuses.....

These communists just need to be laughed off the stage like the unserious jokes that they are.

54 posted on 01/27/2005 11:05:23 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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90,000 of them...got better.

LOL!

Reports of their deaths were greatly exaggerated?

55 posted on 01/27/2005 11:58:13 AM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen, ignorance and stupidity.)
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