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Finding common ground between God and evolution ("Theory is greater than facts)
Seattle Times ^ | Jan 25, 2005 | Froma Harrop

Posted on 01/25/2005 6:15:41 PM PST by gobucks

Ken Miller is an interesting guy. He is co-author of the nation's best-selling biology textbook. It was on his book, "Biology," that schools in Cobb County, Ga., slapped a sticker casting doubt on its discussion of evolution theory. And it was this sticker that a federal judge recently ordered removed because it endorsed religion. Miller, who testified against the label, gets a lot of hate mail these days.

But Miller is also a practicing Roman Catholic. "I attend Mass every Sunday morning," he said, "and I'm tired of being called an atheist."

A professor of biology at Brown University, Miller does not believe that Charles Darwin's theory of evolution contradicts the creation passages in the Bible. And he will argue the point till dawn.

"None of the six creative verses (in Genesis) describe an out-of-nothing, puff-of-smoke creation," he says. "All of them amount to a command by the creator for the earth, the soil and the water of this planet to bring forth life. And that's exactly what natural history tells us happened." (Miller has written a book on the subject: "Finding Darwin's God: A Scientist's Search for Common Ground Between God and Evolution.")

Still, today's emotional conflicts over teaching this science in public schools leave the impression that Christianity and evolution cannot be reconciled. This is not so.

In 1996, Pope John II wrote a strong letter to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences supporting the scientific understanding of evolution. That's one reason why students in Catholic parochial schools get a more clearheaded education in evolution science than do children at many public schools racked by the evolution debate.

American parents who want Darwin's name erased from the textbooks might be surprised at the father of evolution's burial spot. Darwin was laid to rest in Westminster Abbey, an Anglican church and England's national shrine.

Not every illustrious Englishman gains admission to an abbey burial site. Darwin died in 1882. Two years before, friends of George Eliot wanted the famous (female) writer laid to rest at the abbey. Eliot had lived immorally, according to the church fathers, and was denied a place. (She is buried at London's Highgate Cemetery, not far from Karl Marx.)

But Darwin had been an upright man. The clergy were proud both of Darwin's accomplishments and of their own comfort with modern science.

In 1882, during the memorial service for the great evolutionist, one church leader after the other rose to praise Charles Darwin. Canon Alfred Barry, for one, had recently delivered a sermon declaring that Darwin's theory was "by no means alien to the Christian religion."

Nowadays, Catholics and old-line Protestants have largely made peace with evolution theory. Most objections come from evangelicals — and not all of them.

Francis S. Collins is head of the National Genome Project and a born-again Christian. He belongs to the American Scientific Affiliation — a self-described fellowship of scientists "who share a common fidelity to the word of God and a commitment to integrity in the practice of science." Its Web address is www.asa3.org.

But back in Cobb County, the debate rages. The sticker taken off Miller's textbook read: "This textbook contains material on evolution. Evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully and critically considered."

Why should Miller care that the Cobb County School Board — having bought his book in great quantity — pastes those words on the cover?

First off, he says, "It implies that facts are things we are certain of and theories are things that are shaky." In science, theory is a higher level of understanding than facts, he notes. "Theories don't grow up to become facts. Rather, theories explain facts."

Then, he questions why, of all the material in his book, only evolution is singled out for special consideration. Miller says that if he could write the sticker, it would say, "Everything in this book should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully and critically considered."

Clearly, many religious people regard evolution theory with sincere and heartfelt concern. But theirs is not a mainstream view — even among practicing Christians. Most theologians these days will argue that the biology book and the Good Book are reading from the same page.

Providence Journal columnist Froma Harrop's column appears regularly on editorial pages of The Times. Her e-mail address is fharrop@projo.com


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KEYWORDS: commonground; creation; creationism; crevolist; darwin; evolution
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In science, theory is a higher level of understanding than facts, he notes. "Theories don't grow up to become facts. Rather, theories explain facts."

Wow. I am just freaked out.

1 posted on 01/25/2005 6:15:42 PM PST by gobucks
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To: gobucks


I always thought Darwin was an atheist!


2 posted on 01/25/2005 6:18:03 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell (Well, it's not the IRA that's strapping bombs to themselves!)
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To: gobucks

I can't believe I've finally agreed with a column in the Seattle Times.


3 posted on 01/25/2005 6:19:02 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: JFK_Lib
Most theologians these days will argue that the biology book and the Good Book are reading from the same page.

The MSM is now plugged into what most theologians are arguing these days. Impressive.

4 posted on 01/25/2005 6:19:22 PM PST by gobucks (http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/laocoon.htm)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
I always thought Darwin was an atheist!

Darwin didn't write much regarding his views about the resurrection.

5 posted on 01/25/2005 6:21:52 PM PST by gobucks (http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/laocoon.htm)
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To: gobucks
Again, a writer who is too ignorant of the religious groups in this country to write about them. Notice that she construes some sort of difference between "Evangelicals" and "old-line Protestants".

I think she means "holy rollers" or "fundies", but she doesn't personally know any so she's not sure.

I doubt she knows as much about evolution.

6 posted on 01/25/2005 6:23:48 PM PST by muawiyah (Egypt didn't invent civilization time)
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To: gobucks
Wow. I am just freaked out.

I bet. You are reading a biologist write what FReepers have been telling you for weeks.

7 posted on 01/25/2005 6:26:02 PM PST by js1138
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To: gobucks

As far as God is concerned, it's where one is buried and what other people think that counts. /s


8 posted on 01/25/2005 6:26:17 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: gobucks


Found it- DArwin WAS AGNOSTIC- but he went to Christian schools.


9 posted on 01/25/2005 6:30:20 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell (Well, it's not the IRA that's strapping bombs to themselves!)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
Found it- DArwin WAS AGNOSTIC- but he went to Christian schools.

Episcopalian Schools by chance?

10 posted on 01/25/2005 6:32:56 PM PST by gobucks (http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/laocoon.htm)
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I always thought that in the scientific method, theories were based on evidence and facts were the result of tested theories. But apparently to Mr. Miller, evolution is "more than fact" and thus holds a higher place than the scientific method.


11 posted on 01/25/2005 6:37:35 PM PST by phoenix0468 (One man with courage is a majority. (Thomas Jefferson))
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To: gobucks

Nice and polite and all, but he didn't really research this thing. He just made a prejudgement. Oh well. So it goes with this issue.


12 posted on 01/25/2005 6:38:40 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: phoenix0468

You didn't understand what he said at all.


13 posted on 01/25/2005 6:38:45 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: js1138

I think the poster is more freaked out at the arrogance of a scientist saying that evolution is "more than fact", which is a huge load of crap.


14 posted on 01/25/2005 6:39:52 PM PST by phoenix0468 (One man with courage is a majority. (Thomas Jefferson))
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But apparently to Mr. Miller, evolution is "more than fact" and thus holds a higher place than the scientific method.

Well, he IS a professor at an Ivy League school an all; it certainly must be true he is a trustworthy agent of truth.

It might be a good idea that we kind of back away slowly and defer to his higher intellect.

(I mean, look at all the fine products we have received from the Ivy League ... Like Hillary, and Bill, and JFKerry ....)

15 posted on 01/25/2005 6:41:27 PM PST by gobucks (http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/laocoon.htm)
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To: Strategerist

No, I understood quite well. He said evolution explains facts. This is crap. Evolution is a theory that is based on evidence and not a fact at all.


16 posted on 01/25/2005 6:41:43 PM PST by phoenix0468 (One man with courage is a majority. (Thomas Jefferson))
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To: gobucks

And Dubya!!


17 posted on 01/25/2005 6:42:27 PM PST by phoenix0468 (One man with courage is a majority. (Thomas Jefferson))
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To: phoenix0468

That was meant to say that Mr. Miller's being from the Ivy League doesn't mean crap to me. I think that was your point as well.


18 posted on 01/25/2005 6:43:24 PM PST by phoenix0468 (One man with courage is a majority. (Thomas Jefferson))
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To: phoenix0468

Nope, Theories explain sets of facts.

you have facts such as seeing a definite time-layering of fossils different species and genera and such in the geological record.

If all species were created in a week they'd all be jumbled together.

Evolution is a theory that explains the above facts, and many others.

The basic problem is that what scientists call a "hypothesis" is what the average person uses the term "theory" for.

Relativity is still called a "Theory." So is Quantum Mechanics.


19 posted on 01/25/2005 6:47:19 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Dog Gone
Yeah! I marvel ... why is the prospect that God formed us slowly through time via other of His creations, so horrifying to so many Christians? It is not taking another god before God; it is not worshipping a graven image; it does not negate the morals taught by Jesus. It is a challenge to men who presume to interpret God's word for everyone else. Evolution doesn't challenge God, it challenges men.
20 posted on 01/25/2005 6:49:01 PM PST by Finny (God continue to Bless President G.W. Bush with wisdom, popularity, safety and success.)
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