Posted on 01/25/2005 9:44:18 AM PST by churchillbuff
Baloney. They're not being polite, they're scared; if gentiles mention it, they instantly become branded anti-semites.
Fr. Paul Marx of Human Life International was branded a rabid anti-semite for these remarks:
"In 1987 HLI made a careful study of involvement in the world-wide abortion movement. The undisputed conclusion of this study was that a disproportionately large number of Jews who are disloyal to Jewish teachings have led and are leading the campaign for legalized abortion. We then consulted the Orthodox Jews who confirmed these findings. If a large and disproportionate group of Mormons or Indians... had surfaced, we would have published this too. We have deplored the horrendous Holocaust, in which some six million Jews died at Hitler's hands, and have compared it to the greater worldwide "holocaust" of unborn babies slaughtered daily. At no time have we ever condemned the Jewish people--our targets have only been Jewish abortionists, and not because they are Jewish. The Jewish people after all have a great pro-life heritage."
Great post.
As a conservative, evangelical Christian, I applaud the good rabbi. He and Michael Medved are indeed voices calling in the wilderness.
Oh. Guess I'll have to cruise the humor sites to see if I can find it.
A brilliant piece.
Found the joke. (Several editions of it, actually) Nice play on words.
Mark
All I can say is WOW. Major WOW. What an article -
His point is that Jews who make a living out of crapping in the public square are an embarassment to decent Jews, and provide ammunition to those who would provoke contempt for Jews as a class. To some extent we're all reflections on the people and cultures from which we come.
The point is everybody gets so worked up about nothing. Why must every family, Jewish or any other religion, be protrayed only the way you want. It's just a funny movie like "The Producers". Only "The Producers" have a Hilter song and dance.
It's just a funny movie, get over it.
To my knowledge, the Rabbi Lapin is not a Rebbe.....isn't that a Lubavitch leader? Lapin is Orthodox but not Lubavitch. Someone who knows may correct me.
And, since when does one equate Western Culture as "Aryan" unless they are doing some projecting of their own.
Perhaps they are an embarrassment to some. But they should be no more an embarrassment to Jews than they would to other Christians, were they Christian.
That is a decent point: A Christian who made a Woody Allen like movie could easily face accusations of antisemitism. However, he then switches from Jews who create embarrassing portrayals of Jewish stereotypes to Jews who behave in ways that embarrass him for reasons other than religious content. A Christian who did the same sort of thing as Dr. Ruth, Stern, Springer, and Jeremy would not be accused of antisemitism.
The people he named IMO have nothing to do with the Jewish People that have honor and respect GOD and there faith.
Those folks are just Pagan Heathens just like many Gentile People.
Honorable people who respect GOD come in all colors, denominations and creeds
Dis-Honorable people come in all colors, denominations and creeds.
Ok...ya'll are right.
Just don't pound it in. It's tough being a Jewish conservative in many quarters I'd reckon and the ones here (even those I disagree with) are brave and doing the right thing.
Goes for anyone from any demographic historically humanist. I'm Southern Prod....comes natural to me and 99% of my blood and peer group think like me more or less.
In this hyper information age, it's more than "to some extent".
Recently I was at a rest stop with a friend and I saw a couple of guys in the store a few rows away, backs to me, looking at some candy bars or something. They were decked out in nice black suits, hats, the works. I said to my friend "those guys look like the Blues Brothers!".
They turned around and I could see that they were Orthodox Jews.
My friend says, "well, they ARE on a mission from God..."
;-)
That's true. He would be accused of feeding off of the mainstream culture while polluting it.
Look, I don't know what it's like in Israel, but in this country the fact of Jews' minority status casts a light on them, fairly or not. If Jews as a group stand a little taller because of Albert Einstein and Jascha Heifetz and Mark Spitz, they also hang their heads at the mention of Howard Stern or Meyer Lansky.
Lapin is asking a fair question that most people don't want to deal with because it's awkward and delicate. He's asking if abuse of the culture isn't coming disproportionately from irresponsible Jews. He's asking whether this misbehavior isn't a grave injustice to Jews in general, and whether the Jewish community at large should consider social pressure and moral suasion, either to bring its bad actors back into line or else to denounce and shame them as harmful to their ethnic kin. I see nothing wrong with Lapin's larger point, that contempt for Jews can be incited in more than one way, and that since culture destruction by some Jews tends to bring obloquy on all of them, they might consider having a word with their own as an act of self-preservation.
Wise man.
OTOH, if the Jews had a reputation of near-universal moral uprightness, the minority status would still make us a target for an ill-light, as some sort of closed society. And the occasional transgressor would be singled out as a sign of group hypocrisy, much as the left treats conservative Christian communities
Frankly, it's better that we have a society that includes both Einsteins and Spitzes (Spitzim?) as well as Springers and Streisands. Having a finger in all cultural pies makes it harder to stereotype Jews as anything. I would certainly like to see more Republican Jews, but I certainly don't mind that there are decadent Jews.
For that matter, I don't have anything against Dr. Ruth or Howard Stern. And I'm kinda proud of Ron Jeremy; if nothing else, he puts the kibosh on all Jewish guys being like Woody Allen.
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