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Our Worst Enemy (Rabbi Lapin on "the Fockers" and defamation of Judaism)
Toward Tradition ^ | Jan 25 05 | Rabbi Lapin

Posted on 01/25/2005 9:44:18 AM PST by churchillbuff

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To: churchillbuff
You’d have to be a recent immigrant from Outer Mongolia not to know of the role that people with Jewish names play in the coarsening of our culture. Almost every American knows this. It is just that most gentiles are too polite to mention it.

Baloney. They're not being polite, they're scared; if gentiles mention it, they instantly become branded anti-semites.

Fr. Paul Marx of Human Life International was branded a rabid anti-semite for these remarks:

"In 1987 HLI made a careful study of involvement in the world-wide abortion movement. The undisputed conclusion of this study was that a disproportionately large number of Jews who are disloyal to Jewish teachings have led and are leading the campaign for legalized abortion. We then consulted the Orthodox Jews who confirmed these findings. If a large and disproportionate group of Mormons or Indians... had surfaced, we would have published this too. We have deplored the horrendous Holocaust, in which some six million Jews died at Hitler's hands, and have compared it to the greater worldwide "holocaust" of unborn babies slaughtered daily. At no time have we ever condemned the Jewish people--our targets have only been Jewish abortionists, and not because they are Jewish. The Jewish people after all have a great pro-life heritage."

41 posted on 01/25/2005 11:08:36 AM PST by St. Johann Tetzel (A fool can ask more questions than a wise man can answer -or- Not every question deserves an answer.)
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To: churchillbuff

Great post.


42 posted on 01/25/2005 11:10:44 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: churchillbuff

As a conservative, evangelical Christian, I applaud the good rabbi. He and Michael Medved are indeed voices calling in the wilderness.


43 posted on 01/25/2005 11:11:56 AM PST by Scothia (If you pray for rain, prepare to deal with some mud.)
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To: EveningStar

Oh. Guess I'll have to cruise the humor sites to see if I can find it.


44 posted on 01/25/2005 11:13:11 AM PST by knittnmom
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To: 80 Square Miles
Fokker and Messerschmidts are German airplane companies that produced combat aircraft, during the 20th century.

It took me a few minutes to get it.
45 posted on 01/25/2005 11:19:03 AM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: churchillbuff

A brilliant piece.


46 posted on 01/25/2005 11:19:45 AM PST by Zechariah11
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To: Celtjew Libertarian

Found the joke. (Several editions of it, actually) Nice play on words.


47 posted on 01/25/2005 11:22:43 AM PST by knittnmom
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To: churchillbuff
Thanks for posting this. I agree on everything he wrote here, and I've got to give the Rabbi "props" for his taste in movies. "The Blues Brothers?" Wow! I LOVE that movie. And Hopscotch? For anyone who hasn't seen it, it stars Walter Mathau and Glenda Jackson, where Mathau is an ex-CIA agent who's "pushed out" of working in the field, and he decides to write and publish he memoirs. It's one of my all-time favorite movies.

Mark

48 posted on 01/25/2005 11:22:51 AM PST by MarkL (That which does not kill me, has made the last mistake it will ever make!)
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To: Paradox

All I can say is WOW. Major WOW. What an article -


49 posted on 01/25/2005 11:25:04 AM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
However, he goes off track, when accusing Dr. Ruth, Howard Stern, Jerry Springer, and Ron Jeremy as defaming Judaism.

His point is that Jews who make a living out of crapping in the public square are an embarassment to decent Jews, and provide ammunition to those who would provoke contempt for Jews as a class. To some extent we're all reflections on the people and cultures from which we come.

50 posted on 01/25/2005 11:25:22 AM PST by Romulus (Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?)
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To: churchillbuff

The point is everybody gets so worked up about nothing. Why must every family, Jewish or any other religion, be protrayed only the way you want. It's just a funny movie like "The Producers". Only "The Producers" have a Hilter song and dance.

It's just a funny movie, get over it.


51 posted on 01/25/2005 11:26:43 AM PST by JeffersonRepublic.com (The 51st state is right around the corner.)
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To: Kerfuffle
the Rebbe sounds scarily like a Nazi propagandist blaming Joos for the decay of Aryan Culture

To my knowledge, the Rabbi Lapin is not a Rebbe.....isn't that a Lubavitch leader? Lapin is Orthodox but not Lubavitch. Someone who knows may correct me.

And, since when does one equate Western Culture as "Aryan" unless they are doing some projecting of their own.

52 posted on 01/25/2005 11:27:31 AM PST by wardaddy (I don't think Muslims are good for America....just a gut instinct thing.)
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To: Romulus
His point is that Jews who make a living out of crapping in the public square are an embarrassment to decent Jews, and provide ammunition to those who would provoke contempt for Jews as a class. To some extent we're all reflections on the people and cultures from which we come.

Perhaps they are an embarrassment to some. But they should be no more an embarrassment to Jews than they would to other Christians, were they Christian.

That is a decent point: A Christian who made a Woody Allen like movie could easily face accusations of antisemitism. However, he then switches from Jews who create embarrassing portrayals of Jewish stereotypes to Jews who behave in ways that embarrass him for reasons other than religious content. A Christian who did the same sort of thing as Dr. Ruth, Stern, Springer, and Jeremy would not be accused of antisemitism.

53 posted on 01/25/2005 11:33:25 AM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: Romulus

The people he named IMO have nothing to do with the Jewish People that have honor and respect GOD and there faith.

Those folks are just Pagan Heathens just like many Gentile People.

Honorable people who respect GOD come in all colors, denominations and creeds

Dis-Honorable people come in all colors, denominations and creeds.


54 posted on 01/25/2005 11:34:35 AM PST by missyme (imho)
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To: NotSoFreeStater; brooklyn dave

Ok...ya'll are right.


Just don't pound it in. It's tough being a Jewish conservative in many quarters I'd reckon and the ones here (even those I disagree with) are brave and doing the right thing.

Goes for anyone from any demographic historically humanist. I'm Southern Prod....comes natural to me and 99% of my blood and peer group think like me more or less.


55 posted on 01/25/2005 11:35:42 AM PST by wardaddy (I don't think Muslims are good for America....just a gut instinct thing.)
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To: Romulus
To some extent we're all reflections on the people and cultures from which we come.

In this hyper information age, it's more than "to some extent".

56 posted on 01/25/2005 11:37:32 AM PST by wardaddy (I don't think Muslims are good for America....just a gut instinct thing.)
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To: Poohbah; altura

Recently I was at a rest stop with a friend and I saw a couple of guys in the store a few rows away, backs to me, looking at some candy bars or something. They were decked out in nice black suits, hats, the works. I said to my friend "those guys look like the Blues Brothers!".

They turned around and I could see that they were Orthodox Jews.

My friend says, "well, they ARE on a mission from God..."

;-)


57 posted on 01/25/2005 11:40:20 AM PST by t_skoz ("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
A Christian who did the same sort of thing as Dr. Ruth, Stern, Springer, and Jeremy would not be accused of antisemitism.

That's true. He would be accused of feeding off of the mainstream culture while polluting it.

Look, I don't know what it's like in Israel, but in this country the fact of Jews' minority status casts a light on them, fairly or not. If Jews as a group stand a little taller because of Albert Einstein and Jascha Heifetz and Mark Spitz, they also hang their heads at the mention of Howard Stern or Meyer Lansky.

Lapin is asking a fair question that most people don't want to deal with because it's awkward and delicate. He's asking if abuse of the culture isn't coming disproportionately from irresponsible Jews. He's asking whether this misbehavior isn't a grave injustice to Jews in general, and whether the Jewish community at large should consider social pressure and moral suasion, either to bring its bad actors back into line or else to denounce and shame them as harmful to their ethnic kin. I see nothing wrong with Lapin's larger point, that contempt for Jews can be incited in more than one way, and that since culture destruction by some Jews tends to bring obloquy on all of them, they might consider having a word with their own as an act of self-preservation.

58 posted on 01/25/2005 12:15:10 PM PST by Romulus (Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?)
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To: churchillbuff

Wise man.


59 posted on 01/25/2005 12:35:28 PM PST by hershey
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To: Romulus
Look, I don't know what it's like in Israel, but in this country the fact of Jews' minority status casts a light on them, fairly or not. If Jews as a group stand a little taller because of Albert Einstein and Jascha Heifetz and Mark Spitz, they also hang their heads at the mention of Howard Stern or Meyer Lansky.

OTOH, if the Jews had a reputation of near-universal moral uprightness, the minority status would still make us a target for an ill-light, as some sort of closed society. And the occasional transgressor would be singled out as a sign of group hypocrisy, much as the left treats conservative Christian communities

Frankly, it's better that we have a society that includes both Einsteins and Spitzes (Spitzim?) as well as Springers and Streisands. Having a finger in all cultural pies makes it harder to stereotype Jews as anything. I would certainly like to see more Republican Jews, but I certainly don't mind that there are decadent Jews.

For that matter, I don't have anything against Dr. Ruth or Howard Stern. And I'm kinda proud of Ron Jeremy; if nothing else, he puts the kibosh on all Jewish guys being like Woody Allen.

60 posted on 01/25/2005 12:38:47 PM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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