"PAAAACKERS!!!!"
Posted on 01/25/2005 6:48:24 AM PST by Jean S
"Same problem in Minnesota. Personally, at this point I blame the Republicans for allowing such obvious corruptions to continue. In this confused state, all a RAT voter needs is to have another RAT in a precinct come and swear thaat his/her friend lives in the precinct - no ID needed. RATs set it up and continue to benefit, but Republicans seem to stand by with their thumbs up their @sses."
I absolutely agree! I live in MN but grew up in WI and the same-day registration procedures along with allowing a registered voter to "attest" to another voter's residence in the precinct, is prime juicy target for DemonRATS inherent & apparently natural inclination to commit vote fraud wherever & whenever possible! DemonRAT B#$stards!
When are Repub officials and elected reps ever going to stand up like MEN and WOMEN, and fight the DemonRATS tooth & nail to remove this stupid practice. This is made-for-order fraud potential. In fact I have no doubt that GWB won the presidential election in WI, except for the fact that it was hard to overcome 85,000 same day registrations in Milwaukee alone, many of whom drove up from Illinois or registered & vote twice or more. If Repubs don't have the gumption & fortitude to eliminate these natural fraud practices, then I guess maybe they deserve to lose since they're not willing to stand & fight.
I ought to know, I live in Washington State.
We had just the situattion you describe in 2002. Somebody her, on FR, caught some RAT.org soliciting funds to drag busloads of "student" organizers to come to Minnesota - on the day of the election. The website clearly stated that lodging and food was't what they wanted - only cash donation. So anyway, a slew of us on the Minnesota board sent this to our Reps and so did, I suppose about a zillion others. The doo-doo hit the fan and the story even made the Rad Star if I recall. The upshot was that the RAT.org pulled down its call for funds and put up a 'clarification' of intent. Seems the poor misunderstood RATs were only bent on using these youths to go around getting voters registered on election day. Yeah. Uh huh. That's the stone cold truth.
If this shoddy voter registration crap is not eliminated or, at the least, a serious attempt being made to reverse it, then the Republicans will richly deserve the losses they suffer. Unfortunately, they still seem to need somebody to supply some spine.
Vote fraud index ping!
"opposed by many Democrats, including Barrett, who say it could become an impediment to voting for some."
So showing a picture ID is now an impediment to voting...An ID was an impediment to me underage drinkin' but I don't see anyone stopping that practice. What are they so afraid of? (Sarcasm Light is now ON!)
Sellf ping
I fear that as long as R's propose election fraud reform and D's oppose it, there will be an effective stalemate, especially in strongly D blocks like Seattle. I fear that the only way to get real election reform is to start cheating like the Dems do. Do we want election reform? Have some rural strongly Republican county in upstate NY generate 8 million R ballots, offsetting NYC and throwing NY into the R column. That happens, and I guarantee we will get some real reforms.
I don't see why ANYONE is against a national ID system. Technically all we would be doing is bringing the DOT into the 21 centrary and inter-connecting all the indivual state driver licenses into one.
Thats really all we're talking about.
I was reading the Sentinel this morning and noticed that "Nov. Election" button in the sidebar. I clicked on it and found an interesting article from Thursday, Nov. 4th
---two days after the election.
State workers helped in race to add voters to city rolls
I'll summarize it.
On the afternoon before the election, Gov. Doyle says he "learned of the large quantity of voter registration forms still waiting to be processed" in Milwaukee. Mayor Barrett was rounding up volunteers to help. Barrett and Doyle were co-chairs of Kerry's campaign. On Monday Barrett aparently had told the Sentinel that "more than 1,000 registrations" were involved. Ultimately [meaning Thursday?], he "put the figure at 15,000 or 20,000". [They were changing their stories way back then!]
Lisa Artison had no clue how many registrations there were "because they weren't counted". "We don't count them on a day-to-day basis," she said. "Certainly Monday night wasn't the night to count them." [Why not?!] Artison was appointed as elections supervisor last summer after working on the mayor's campaign.
WHAT DID THESE VOLUNTEERS DO?
"Stacks of the unrecorded registrations were divvied up and taken to several city offices, where the volunteers borrowed city computers to use a Web site to determine which ward the new voters should be assigned to". Cards were then divided into stacks by ward to be sent to the polling stations. Artison said she wasn't sure how late the operation went. She went home at 1:30 or 2 a.m. while the volunteers were still at it. The governor's admin secretary, said the state volunteers who helped "were up all night" processing the registrations. The article doesn't mention whether any regular election office workers stayed that night.
WHO WERE THESE VOLUNTEERS?
1) "...about a dozen state employees, some based in Madison and others in Milwaukee...". They were "volunteers and were on their own time".
2) Mayor Barrett worked on the registrations that night. So did his sister and his nephew. And some of his "friends".
3) And "...members of the local painters union..."!
4) I guess we can assume that Republicans were not asked to provide volunteers.
WHAT's WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?
Here we had an elections supervisor allowing unsupervised politically-connected volunteers to have access to the voter data base THE NIGHT BEFORE THE ELECTION. She even left at 2am and let them continue working. She had no idea how many cards there were to begin with. So there would be no way for her to know if someone "ultimately" added cards to the stack. And we don't even know what part of the system these people had access to....could they tamper with VOTES, not just voters?
WERE THERE ACTUALLY 85,000 SAME DAY REGISTRANTS?
Did that amazingly high number of new registrants really show up on election day? How do we know they weren't "manufactured" in the bowels of city hall the night before?
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This needs to be brought to the attention of the new federal task force. I've sent it to a couple of bloggers. The FBI needs to look closely at time stamps on everything that was put in the system that night. And they need to look at those 15-20,000 cards to see if they have recurring handwriting on them. I've always thought that high number of same-day registrants was suspicious. I'm beginning to wonder now whether many of them ever existed at all.
If nothing else Artison should be fired immediately. At BEST she supposedly allowed up to 20,000 registrations to pile up and go unrecorded. At WORST she gave partisans unsupervised access to official voter records on the eve of a very closely contested election...and she didn't even stay to watch what was going on!
(I'm cross-posting this on the other thread, so some of you may get multiple pings.)
Ping for the Washington state crowd.
See number 110 above. Very interesting.
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