I am looking for a quote

January 25 2005 | me

[Rocketman]

I have been searching online in google a few hours searching for a quote. I have tried quite a few cobinations of words and I'm not even lukewarm to finding what I am looking for. I beleive the quote I'm looking for goes something like this:

"the chruches are empty, the priests are ignored, the sacrements are forsaken and . . ."

I'm working on a paper and I just can't seem to get the right key words to find this thing.

I know someone on FR will know this quote and someone probably knows who said it too.

[Rocketman]

I think its more fun this way. And with our collective wisdom you generally get benefits of similar thoughts or related info that you wouldn't have been able to ask about as well.

[MarineBrat]

See my new tagline...

[RavenATB]

I've got it...

No matter what you do in life
or what may be your goal
keep your eye on the tootsie
cause that's what's in the hole

I think it was by Elmer Fudd, or Michael Jackson...

[Rocketman]

Love your tagline

You know i found some sermons online preaching from this quote.

Just a small thought but Paul the Apostle sat under the feet of Gameliel -- and he never says you know back before I was saved Gameliel used to say . . . And it is so true I think Gameliel has some real truth and insight . . .

Paul knew the treaching of all the great rabbis he knew probably every Jot and tittle in the Talmud but he never quotes from any of that.

I wonder if that might mean something?

[Rocketman]

I am speechless. :)

[daybreakcoming]

Is Mr. Fernitti associated with the DNC? Sounds like their talking points.

[blackbart.223]

"That quote was from Nietzsche."

It was. That doesn't make me godless.But the qoute sill fits for me.

[MarineBrat]

Seems as though I had Nietzsche spelled incorrectly. I pulled it out of an old tagline file I had when I was BBSing many years ago. Now fixed.

[Rocketman]

I know. It's a good quote, it has a level of truth. The Godless sprung in my mind becasue of other quotes of his and that I have heart Church people quote him. That's sort of like quoting Ted Kennedy to verify Republican platform planks.

[blackbart.223]

"I know. It's a good quote, it has a level of truth. The Godless sprung in my mind becasue of other quotes of his and that I have heart Church people quote him. That's sort of like quoting Ted Kennedy to verify Republican platform planks."

I can live with that.

Bart.

[MCFujiTanker]

"Was mich nicht umbringt, macht mich starker"...but put an umlaut over the "u" in umbringt and another umlaut over the "a" in starker. Of course that's from memory, I majored in German in college. Semper Fidelis!

[Rocketman]

Ich kan spreche deutch. -- my spelling is even worse in German -- we spoke it in the house and I had lesson up the third grade reading in German that was over 36 years ago

[jwpjr]

What an interesting observation! Paul prided himself in being the "Jew's Jew" and yet he never refers to anything having to do with his life before his experience on the road to Damascus. Thanks for the insight.

[Rocketman]

I t has taken me almost thirty years to be able to see that and some other critical differences between us and them.

Try this: Peter does not preach Paul, Paul does not preach John, John does not preach Peter.

There are rules about preaching the Gospel in the New Testament that define content and what is to be our source material. I will provide some verses I have worked on regarding this. (This is a copy and paste)

1John1:1-3 “That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us; That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you.

I spoke before of this personal testimony, this personal experience of the acts of God as being a law that Isaiah did not preach Jeremiah and Jeremiah did not speak Ezekiel each spoke only that which they saw and heard likewise Paul does not preach peter peter does not preach John and John does not preach paul.

John 3:11 “Verily, verily, I say unto thee, we speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen . . .” The Greek reads Verily Verily I say unto thee, That which we know (Oidamen to know by having asked – to know by having examined) we speak, and that which we have seen we bear witness of.

Acts 4:20 For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard.

Now if this point were not important it would not be repeated again and again but it has somehow slipped under the church’s radar screen like most things that pertain to life and godliness, glory and virtue.

Matthew 11:4 Jesus answered and said unto them, Go and shew John again those things which ye do hear and see: Here we catch Jesus commanding the disciples of John to speak only that which they have seen and heard.

Romans 15:18-20 For I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ hath not wrought by me, to make the Gentiles obedient, by word and deed, Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.

Why does Paul the Apostle say that he dare not? The dare not implies that if Paul would speak of what Christ did in others, or preached what Christ had taught others there would be unwelcome consequences – ie no mighty signs and wonders no power of the spirit of God – So in his ministry Paul says by preaching what God wrought in Paul and what Christ taught Paul he was fully preaching the Gospel – Because the Gospel is what God has wrought in you and taught you.

Hebrews 2:3-5 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?

[Iatwttatl]

Paul always quotes from the Greek version of the Hebrew / Aramaic / Syriac Bible. The Greek version is called the Septuagint, and has significant differences from the mainly Hebrew; at the same time, he is vitally aware of Greek culture and its literary heritage; he was probably educated in Greek; while Aramaic was a second language to him. Usually, we speak of Paul or anyone else "sitting at the feet of" Gamaliel or any other mentor, not "sitting under the feet of ..." Gamaliel is said to have tawt 500 rabbinical students in Greek. Many synagogues in the Roman Empire were Greek-speaking and used the Septuagint; Jerusalem seems to have had some Greek-speaking Jewish synagogues, and Saint Stephen the Martyr who was murdered by Paul in a fanatical ritual killing was most likely Greek-speaking and a member of a growing Greek Christian element in a Greek-speaking Jewish synagogue.

[Rocketman]

And fundamentalists and pentecostals use predominantly the king james version of the bible. Yes Pauled used a translation that was in the common language of his hearers. The gentiles did not know hebrew and shock of shocks the averge jew did not know hebrew -- they had been helenized so if Paul dusted off a scroll and read from it only the highpriests and more learned pharisees would have understood the words.

It turns out that Arameic is actually babylonian (It is Yiddish babylonian) in the captivity the Jews translated the old testament into what are called the tagums the pharisees arose and created their body of traditions in the talmud -- the talmud was written also in babylonian (Yiddish) the importance of this is that at the time babylonian was the english of the world so that by doing this the word of God was being published abroad to not only the scattered jews but to the gentiles.

When Alexander shows up the Jews translate with the 70 the law and prophets and a copies of it are placed in the library of alexandria and throughout the empire God is publishing his word abroad

So when Christ comes there are now synagogues and they have the septuagent and in other parts there are targums so that in speaking and reading arameic and greek virtually the whole world of that day can be preached to.

And the scriptures can be read and understood by even the commoners.

Paul used a translation and quotes from it extensively but his doctrine where it is of vital importance is from the hebrew.