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1 posted on 01/23/2005 11:33:32 AM PST by RightWingAtheist
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Bibiliopath PING!

2 posted on 01/23/2005 11:36:06 AM PST by RightWingAtheist (Marxism-the creationism of the left)
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I've heard of loosing a library book before, but the whole library? Wonder what the over-due fees are on that?


3 posted on 01/23/2005 11:37:07 AM PST by rogers21774
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We also know that at the time when Philodemus was teaching Virgil on the Bay of Naples, the lost dialogues of Aristotle were circulating in Rome (Cicero called them “a golden river”: the essence of ancient Greek philosophy); they, too, have vanished.

Just the tiniest fraction of what may be found.

So9

5 posted on 01/23/2005 11:39:12 AM PST by Servant of the 9 (Trust Me)
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hundreds of other lost works of Greek philosophy — including half of Epicurus’s entire opus, missing for 2,300 years — have been rediscovered. Among them is a treatise by Zeno of Sidon

Might be some changes on the way in our history of philosophy.

7 posted on 01/23/2005 11:43:25 AM PST by RightWhale (Please correct if cosmic balance requires.)
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Fingers crossed. It's hard to think of all those "lumps of coal" that were "unthinkingly" dumped into the sea. Let's hope they didn't include those lost treatises of Aristotle or additional plays by Sophocles and Aeschylus.


8 posted on 01/23/2005 11:47:38 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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It is not an exaggeration to say that this would be the most gigantic cultural treasure ever found, if the missing library could be excavated.

The article illustrates it well: we have only seven plays by Sophocles, including mighty pillars of Western culture like Oedipus Rex and Antigone. God only knows what might be in the missing 113 plays!

I think every classicist has their "if only we could find" list, and most of the stuff might potentially be in the Villa of the Papyri. I know one classicist who spent years trying to reconstruct what might have been in the Memoirs of Sulla. Actually finding and being able to read a copy would be stunning.

9 posted on 01/23/2005 11:47:44 AM PST by SedVictaCatoni (<><)
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Membership of the Herculaneum Society costs £50 per year. Contact: Friends of the Herculaneum Society, Classics Centre, Old Boys’ School, George Street, Oxford 0X1 2RL. Website: www.herculaneum.ox.ac.uk; e-mail: herculaneum@classics.ox.ac.uk

50 pounds is about $120? Maybe if we have some left from the tax refund, after we pay the charge bill and build the pergola ... I wonder whether they publish a magazine.

10 posted on 01/23/2005 11:48:32 AM PST by Tax-chick (Wielder of the Dread Words of Power, "Bless your heart, honey!")
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This deals with the foundation of the whole western tradition. I hope this dig gets done. Why isn't the government of Italy chipping in? It's their own history.


12 posted on 01/23/2005 11:58:31 AM PST by seacapn
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"Thirty thousand images are now legible on CD-Rom; suddenly poems and works of philosophy are speaking again, 2,000 years after they were sealed in their cedar-wood cabinets in the summer of AD79."

Although philosophy never saved a soul (no Jesus was not a philosopher), it is cool to imagine what was in the minds of thinking folks in those days.

17 posted on 01/23/2005 12:07:52 PM PST by patriot_wes (When I see two guys kissin..argh! Is puking a hate crime yet?)
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It follows the first detailed analysis of the 1,800 papyri, now largely unrolled and deciphered thanks to a technique known as multi-spectral imaging (MSI). What appear to the naked eye as jet-black cinders are transformed by MSI into readable text. Thirty thousand images are now legible on CD-Rom; suddenly poems and works of philosophy are speaking again, 2,000 years after they were sealed in their cedar-wood cabinets in the summer of AD79.

Dangit!
I hate it when they do that.

Arrange it so that one can't download and save the entire article, just print it. That is unkind to trees and very inefficient.
Plus it wasted hours of people's time when one is determined to preserve the entire article.

The above paragraph is very interesting, in that not only have translations been made, but they are available to someone on CD ROM. The following may be of further value in that regard:

Membership of the Herculaneum Society costs £50 per year. Contact: Friends of the Herculaneum Society, Classics Centre, Old Boys’ School, George Street, Oxford 0X1 2RL.
Website: www.herculaneum.ox.ac.uk
e-mail: herculaneum@classics.ox.ac.uk

18 posted on 01/23/2005 12:14:22 PM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen, ignorance and stupidity.)
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ping & bump.


23 posted on 01/23/2005 12:51:02 PM PST by alessandrofiaschi
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Cool! But what if the lost plays are found and they're junk? Or if they're so much alike that they drag down the author's reputation? What if the things we thought great were common and unremarkable at the time? Or is it really going to be true that Aeschylus or Sophocles was so great an artist that he could turn out dozens of great plays?

This could be a great boon for the humanities if that's the case. It would be too much to say that it would bring a new renaissance, but if really important works are found that will give writers and critics and theatrical companies something to do for decades, though it might put out some professors who chose the classics because nothing changes there.

24 posted on 01/23/2005 12:53:46 PM PST by x
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Do you suppose 2,000 years from now scholars will be excavating the Clinton Library?


25 posted on 01/23/2005 1:15:23 PM PST by The Great RJ
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27 posted on 02/01/2005 10:19:57 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Ted "Kids, I Sunk the Honey" Kennedy is just a drunk who's never held a job (or had to).)
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This 79AD event is recorded in the tree-rings worldwide.


29 posted on 02/01/2005 10:33:52 AM PST by blam
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Fascinating. I hope they work fast and go ahead and excavate. It sounds like Vesuvius is on a 2,000 year timetable and the last explosion was 79AD...


30 posted on 02/01/2005 10:36:28 AM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Click on my name to see what readers have said about my Christian novels!)
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37 posted on 02/01/2005 6:02:09 PM PST by concentric circles
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39 posted on 02/01/2005 8:32:41 PM PST by Physicist
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