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Animal House or Old School?
National Review ^ | 1/21/05 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 01/21/2005 9:54:02 AM PST by Clemenza

This summer I had an intern researcher drone named "Lyle." But I tended to call him things like "meat sack," "you," and "the kid-whose-head-someone-used-as-a-toilet-but-forgot-to-flush." It pained me to call him these things because he was generally a very sharp kid and I was glad to have him skulking around, eating my old pizza crusts and rifling through my garbage when he wasn't "working." Anyway, if you want to put a face to him, here he is.

The reason I bring up young Lyle is that he was the one who started to make me feel old. One time while we were sitting around and he was thirstily watching me drink beer, the subject of Animal House came up. He commented that he knew I was a big fan of Animal House and, yes, it's a good movie and all. But Old School really spoke more to him and his generation. Since then, I've talked to lots of college kids and this seems to be the emerging consensus. Now, it's fine to say that you like Old School — I did — and even to say that you dislike Animal House, but to say that the former eclipses the latter in quality is akin to saying Caddyshack II was a better sequel than Godfather II.

Okay...not quite. But you get the point.

I don't want to compare the two films, though it is interesting that a movie about dudes my age trying to relive their college days is more popular with young'ns than a movie about people their age having a good time in college. Nevertheless, what hit me hard was the idea that Animal House was no longer part of the conversation the way it once was. Contrary to what some readers may think, the movie isn't holy writ to me and Animal House, the Simpsons, Star Trek, Star Wars, and Stripes are not my Pentateuch. But these and a few other staples of pop culture were the lingua franca of my generation.

Kids going to college this fall were born the year I graduated from high school. Which means that I was going to bars three years before they were born. It also means that they have no real memory of the Soviet Union's existence. It means the scar on my left thumb from the old "Defender" video game is older than they are. It means the first president they were conscious of was Bill Clinton. They don't remember apartheid. They don't remember when Jesse Jackson wasn't a joke. Or when China took Marxism even remotely seriously. Star Wars was an old movie by the time they saw it and they can't remember when Pat Buchanan was a loyal Republican. Big Brother refers to a TV show first and a book by some dead guy second. Most of them have never used a typewriter, never been in a world where the broadcast-news anchors weren't hemorrhaging viewers to cable, never really did school work without the aid of the Internet, and never knew a time when people didn't have cell phones.

I could go on and on, particularly since there are countless lists that detail this sort of thing all over the web. But one of the things I do find pretty interesting is how technology changes vocabulary — and by extension the way we view the world. We don't appreciate how many of our phrases are driven by outdated technology. I was always taught that "Mind your Ps and Qs" was an old admonition for printers, though apparently that's open for debate. We refer to "civil" engineering because until fairly recently all engineering was military. A hot shot was something you fired from a cannon. And for my entire life — and probably yours — I've said "dial" a phone number even though kids today don't necessarily know why. The phrase from old TV shows "don't touch that dial!" would sound like an admonition not to touch a brand of soap. Also, if they were watching an old episode of Outer Limits they'd have no clue why the aliens were talking about controlling the "vertical" and "horizontal" on the TV. They also might furl their foreheads when told they sound like a broken record.

During the Republican Convention I was walking through the media area and I saw a sign for the "digital darkroom." It occurred to me that some of the interns milling about might not be sure why you even called it a "darkroom." After all, digital cameras don't need the dark. We can play this game all day as there are countless other examples of this sort of thing. Many of which I'm sure I'll get from readers.

Christopher Caldwell offers a related game in a recent issue of The Weekly Standard. He notes, for example, that Bill Clinton's election in 1992 is closer to the 1970s than it is to the present. Jimmy Carter's inauguration day is as close to Harry Truman's in 1949 as it is the one this week. FDR's time in Washington is about equidistant to Lincoln's and Barack Obama's.

I have no great profundity to offer ("as if you ever do, jack**s" — quoth the Couch). But I think this is a particularly important perspective for conservatives to keep in mind, if not necessarily to obsess about. As the party that believes human nature has no history and the holder that certain truths remain immutable, it's useful to realize how fast the world is changing before our eyes. This is a very old theme of mine — that technological changes pose a constant threat to the conservative project even as conservatives shouldn't be ideologically anti-technology. Cars, the birth control pill, the Internet, and television have all done more to dissolve the iron chains of community and tradition than most of the acidic ideas of dangerous philosophers.

What can conservatives do about this? Well, a lot and nothing. We cannot and should not adopt some sort of anti-change platform. This isn't to say I'm always pro-change, but conservatives are also realists and we should know that change can't be stopped. And spare me references to the Buckleyite proposition that conservatives must stand athwart history yelling "Stop!" I agree with that, but the context of that statement was narrow and historically contingent on the proposition that the Soviets were eating our lunch. After all, William F. Buckley has spent his entire life yelling stop so he could change things, not so that he could freeze them. What we can do is what we've always done. Recognize and point out that change and progress are not synonymous, that materialistic advances are often merely a changing of the garb of humanity and not a change of humanity itself and, of course, that anyone who thinks Old School is superior to Animal House needs his head flushed.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: animalhouse; culturewar; films; genx; movies; oldschool; popculture
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To: numberonepal

I just had a laughing flashback. Thanks. It's a good way to start the weekend.


201 posted on 01/21/2005 2:40:03 PM PST by Thebaddog (Dawgs on the coffee table.)
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To: Clemenza

EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW


202 posted on 01/21/2005 2:49:46 PM PST by My Favorite Headache (I Watch TV, What Do You Want From Me?)
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To: sinanju

I believe that she sang "Baby It's Cold Outside" with the Brian Setzer Orchestra and that it was released as a track on a Christmas complitation last year.

They could team up for an album but the industry would do nothing to support such a project. They could slide it under the radar if it could be justified as the soundtrack for a film.


203 posted on 01/21/2005 3:56:31 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: dangus

I just finished reading his biography


204 posted on 01/21/2005 4:12:02 PM PST by Military family member (Go Colts!)
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To: dangus
Nothing will beat Harvey Kurtzman and Will Elder's "Goodman Beaver Goes PL*YB*Y" (from Help! magazine and reprinted a few years later in the paperback The Executive Comic Book) for satricial skewering of upperclass hedonism.

Goodman Beaver (Kurtzman/Elder's everyman) returns to a Riverdale-like town and finds "the old gang" (the Archie comics characters) have all adopted Hugh Hefner's Playboy philosophy (including massive orgies). At the end of the story, the devil is depicted as Hugh Hefner himself. Hef didn't take offense, he hired them to do continue along these lines with a female character instead (who became Annie Fanny); Archie Comics did take offense however, they sued and own the work now (were it sits forgotten/suppressed).

205 posted on 01/21/2005 4:18:53 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: Clemenza
You're getting old when your doctor is younger than you are. You are old when the President is younger than you are. You're really old when almost nobody in the room is ever older than you are.

And if you know who Lamont Cranston is you must be dead.

206 posted on 01/21/2005 4:36:43 PM PST by muir_redwoods
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To: muir_redwoods

The only Lamont I am familiar with worked in a junkyard. Of course, many youngins out there have probably never seen Sanford & Son.


207 posted on 01/21/2005 4:37:46 PM PST by Clemenza (Europhiles and Monarchists should be purged)
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"Into the Night" was a good movie from the 80s... Jeff Goldblum and a skinny Michelle Pfifer



208 posted on 01/21/2005 6:22:41 PM PST by KneelBeforeZod ( I'm going to open Cobra Kai dojos all over this valley!)
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To: newgeezer; All

Well, we took the bait, rented "Old School", and watched it this evening. Unanimous verdict around here: It doesn't hold a candle to Animal House. It's very amusing in places, but it sure isn't uproariously funny like Animal House.

One of the things that really struck me was how unattractive the "love interest" (the girl friend of the former Late Late Show host, I can't remember his name) was, in my opinion.

Anyway, not bad, but not really good...


209 posted on 01/22/2005 5:23:39 PM PST by VMI70 (...but two Wrights made an airplane)
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To: Stand Watch Listen
You know you're getting old when it surprises you what these kids don't know or haven't experienced. But you're getting really old when you don't remember such things either. Does anybody have really vivid memories of Clara Peller or Emmanuel Lewis or Herve Villechaize or are they just sort of a blur or smear?

--"Star Wars" looks very fake to them, and the special effects are pathetic.

They're right about that. But the funny thing is a lot of today's computer animation also looks obviously fake. Some of it really isn't an improvement. If "I, Robot" looks so phony now, imagine what it will look like to the next generation.

210 posted on 01/22/2005 6:08:14 PM PST by x
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To: My Favorite Headache

The only thing that can even remotely compete with "Animal House" is "Tommy Boy" in the last 10 years. However, "Old School is a hilarious" movie.


211 posted on 01/24/2005 9:53:33 AM PST by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: Clemenza
...it's useful to realize how fast the world is changing before our eyes.

I think the pace of change has palpably slowed. The differences between 2005 and 1980 are much much less than the difference beween 1980 and 1955.

212 posted on 01/24/2005 10:13:18 AM PST by Plutarch
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To: Plutarch
Which begs the question, what would Marshall "we're living in speed-up" McLuhan have to say about this.

I agree with you about the differences between 1960-1980 and 1980-2000. The main difference I notice between 1980 and the current period are slight changes in how we view sexuality, race, and politics (largely having to do with the fact that the so-called "Greatest Generation" have largely bought the farm, taking their attitudes with them), as well as in music. These changes are largely cosmetic, and most of the technological advances of the past 20 years (the internet, telecommunications, etc) were already in place back in the 1970s.

213 posted on 01/24/2005 10:19:40 AM PST by Clemenza (I Am Here to Chew Bubblegum and Kick Ass, and I'm ALL OUT OF BUBBLEGUM!)
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To: Clemenza

The movie "Old School" blew. All the funny moments were in the previews.


214 posted on 01/24/2005 10:22:39 AM PST by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: dfwgator
BS! HANK THE TANK RULES!

A REALLY BAD movie was "Meet the Fockers." Watching that stinking pile of Mierda was like going through a reverse vasectomy.

215 posted on 01/24/2005 10:24:36 AM PST by Clemenza (I Am Here to Chew Bubblegum and Kick Ass, and I'm ALL OUT OF BUBBLEGUM!)
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To: Clemenza
...most of the technological advances of the past 20 years (the internet, telecommunications, etc) were already in place back in the 1970s.

Thats right, and what is more that these technological changes are superficial. Strip away all your post 1980 electronics and your life wouldn't change that much.

Take away your air conditioning, interstate highways, jet travel, microwave, color television, and all other developments between 1955 and 1980, and you'll be howling.

Culturally, the music from 1980 and 2005 isn't all that much different, movies aren't that much different, family isn't that much different, even politics. On all counts, 1955 and 1980 were much much different.

216 posted on 01/24/2005 10:32:03 AM PST by Plutarch
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To: weegee
Many of the incidents in Animal House HAVE a real life counterpart. There were even more stories that we not adapted.

There was a "book" version of Animal House that was funnier than the movie. You're right-there was a lot that didn't make it into the movie. Examples: The reason why Pinto came to be called Pinto, and the aftermath of the encounter between Pinto and the mayor's daughter. Also, "Boon", whose real name was Schoenstein, was patterned after a former National Lampoon writer who went on to ghostwrite many (all?) of Bill Cosby's books.

217 posted on 01/24/2005 11:02:56 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Where does bandwidth go when it is wasted?)
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To: Clemenza

Animal House bump - it's running on VH1 now. Getting ready for the food fight scene.


218 posted on 01/28/2005 6:16:57 PM PST by dirtboy (To make a pearl, you must first irritate an oyster)
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