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Linux, Inc.
BusinessWeek online ^ | 21 January 2005 | Steve Hamm

Posted on 01/21/2005 9:34:02 AM PST by ShadowAce

Linus Torvalds once led a ragtag band of software geeks. Not anymore. Here's an inside look at how the unusual Linux business model increasingly threatens Microsoft

Five years ago, Linus Torvalds faced a mutiny. The reclusive Finn had taken the lead in creating the Linux computer operating system, with help from thousands of volunteer programmers, and the open-source software had become wildly popular for running Web sites during the dot-com boom. But just as Linux was taking off, some programmers rebelled. Torvalds' insistence on manually reviewing everything that went into the software was creating a logjam, they warned. Unless he changed his ways, they might concoct a rival software package -- a threat that could have crippled Linux. "Everybody knew things were falling apart," recalls Larry McVoy, a programmer who played peacemaker. "Something had to be done."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Technical
KEYWORDS: business; culture; linux; notwindows
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To: Golden Eagle

So what you're saying is that you'd prefer to take code without giving any credit to the authors, like the GPL requires?


121 posted on 01/22/2005 10:31:40 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Golden Eagle
There's hundreds of foreign clones of Unix out there now, since free linux now contains some of the best features of US Unix.

Again you completely ignore my posts stating that the actual cost of the O/S is a very small line on a budget. You continue to harp on the issue of cost while ignoring this simple fact.

Commercial vendors like Sun were completely unable or unwilling to switch their market strategy and that is what brought about their downfall. I remember in 1999 when Solaris x86 was finally stable and a good candidate for production use. Sun refused to do any further development work on it. They stuck to their recommended hardware list which excluded almost all laptops which made it all but useless. They had a great product but didn't support it and finally announced they were going to EOL it. There was enough outcry from users that they changed their mind. By that point everyone I know who was using Solaris x86 switched over to Linux/FreeBSD/OpenBSD.

The vast majority of users do not care what O/S they are running. They care about productivity. If a free movement can provide a better product then a large commercial entity with billions of dollars behind them, then so be it. The commercial entity deserves to fail. That is the way business works.

122 posted on 01/22/2005 10:33:42 AM PST by killjoy (War is not the answer, simply part of the solution)
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To: Codename - Ron Benjamin
Yeah - but they could have written the code themselves based just on a technical sheet by IBM.

Ah, the old "inevitable" theory. Extremely doubtful, they wouldn't be stealing our technology implementations left and right if they could do it on their own.

I understand your bitterness, but keeping some things secret would harm us more than it would do to them.

If you know anything about military technology, it's based on levels of secrecy known as "classification", or "classified technology". I suppose keeping those secrets have harmed us as well.

Gold Eagle Out.

123 posted on 01/22/2005 10:34:56 AM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle

I'll try again: technology != implementation.

The technology is already out of the bag, because the inventors decided to disclose it to the whole world, even to the expense of disclosing it to China too!

Implementation only requires cheap workmanship.

About the classified stuff, that's why I think that's a problem of the NSA, not of individual inventors.

/me Out too. Handshake.


124 posted on 01/22/2005 10:41:55 AM PST by Codename - Ron Benjamin
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To: MarshHawk
I'm going to have to try this out. I've been waiting for Linux to get (down) to my skill level. ;-)

Just don't try it with a wireless card. You'll run screaming for the door.

125 posted on 01/22/2005 10:43:43 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Got Wood?)
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To: Cyber Liberty
I'd just be happy to get a machine set up here that works remotely like the UNIX workstations I use during the day....

Do mean you want a file server that Windows PCs can save files to?

If so, all you have to do is install Samba server on a Linux box.

126 posted on 01/22/2005 11:22:03 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Sounds good. I also have Exceed Hummingbird.


127 posted on 01/22/2005 11:31:41 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (© 2004, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: ShadowAce

"that includes Windows."



In your opinion.


128 posted on 01/22/2005 11:43:21 AM PST by shellshocked
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To: shellshocked

Yes--in my opinion.


129 posted on 01/22/2005 12:01:58 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Golden Eagle

You know, at one point I attempted to discuss these issues with you, thinking that somewhere in there was a logical person. But after reading the same inane, ad hominem, dishonest, non sequitur comments designed only to denegrate Linux sprinkled about over the course of, what? years now, I can only conclude that you are a one-trick pony. You are a cipher, a zero. An empty sum. Whatever goes in, the same thing comes out. Always. When you are proven wrong, which happens quite often, you switch the argument or pull out your "communist" card. You are some piece of work.

Thus, there is no point in engaging you whatsoever, as whether you intend it or not, your behavior constitutes nothing but trolling, as it only invites flames. You do not intend to educate, only incite, imply and denegrate through false innuendo. You are a tool, you are a liar, and you are boring.


130 posted on 01/22/2005 1:15:16 PM PST by krinklyfig
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To: ShadowAce
Whoa! Just got Knoppix going on my Dell here. Running um...Konqueror I think it is. Feels funny. It's surprising how quickly I got the OS running, and my broad-band internet connection up and running.

The lap-top will never handle it, though. RAM way too low.

131 posted on 01/22/2005 1:23:25 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (© 2004, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Hey, that's a nice distro! It took a long while to download all that data, but it came right up once I got the CD burned and booted. Got the internet connection up surprisingly fast (I'm using it right now).

Thanks a million, E Pluribus.

132 posted on 01/22/2005 1:26:20 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (© 2004, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: Cyber Liberty

KDE got feature envy from gnome some time ago and it has gotten fat. There are some dirtro's that have much lighter demands on memory (its actuall more a function of the x-interface than Linux itself). if youre looking for a perminate os look at Suse it has some lightweight GUI's.. I think Fedora comes with some as well. You want to look for FVWM.


133 posted on 01/22/2005 1:34:36 PM PST by N3WBI3
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To: Golden Eagle
I'm tired of doing everyone's homework

You claim that Solaris "owns the greatest market share of all available Unix products in the US.".

In a New York Times article article dated Nov. 15, 2004, John Markoff reports "Sun currently has about a million Solaris users around the world, according to an estimate by the International Data Corporation, a market research firm."

Last week, Apple reported that their Unix-based Mac OS X operating system has over 14 million active users.

According to your homework, 1 million is greater than 14 million. No wonder you're tired.

134 posted on 01/22/2005 1:51:21 PM PST by HAL9000 (Spreading terrorist beheading propaganda videos is an Act of Treason!)
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To: ShadowAce

If it's what they want, then yes. The GPL credits the authors of the original code, just not with money, fruit, and naked girls.


135 posted on 01/22/2005 2:00:12 PM PST by cosmicassassin (Just give me what I came for, then I'm out the door again.)
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To: krinklyfig
You know, at one point I attempted to discuss these issues with you

Sure you did.

inane, ad hominem, dishonest, non sequitur, troll, flames, incite, imply, denegrate, innuendo, a tool, a liar

LOL, yeah, you sound like a very, very reasonable and dignified individual. Not really, of course, actually just a random run of the mill linux lover. Angry and dark, and dependent on free stuff from others.

136 posted on 01/22/2005 2:00:38 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: ShadowAce

Do you use knoppix much? I've got some predictable tech questions in a couple of days. I want to play with it for a while and get a feel of it, and see what I can figure out. I think I'm lacking the root password, though.


137 posted on 01/22/2005 2:02:29 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (© 2004, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: HAL9000

Your link doesn't work, requires a paid subscription to the New York Times which I suppose you must own. But I'll admit that I may have gotten confused when posting the Unix chart from 2000, apparently Apple's products weren't based on Unix at that point.

The bigger issue still remains, in the overall *nix family, Linux has just passed Apple, and the lead is expected to grow. Being the owner of several Apple systems throughout their history myself, I'm extremely disapointed to know that instead of folks the world over purchasing a true US Unix product from an American IT company like Apple, more and more are just going to be downloading some free copy of Linux instead. If you'd rather argue that Apple is second place to Linux instead of Sun, I could really care less. They both are losing to Linux.


138 posted on 01/22/2005 2:18:01 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Cyber Liberty; N3WBI3
I think I'm lacking the root password, though.

While I don't use Knoppix a whole lot, I could probably figure out your questions. The root password for Knoppix doesn't exist. Just type "su" at the prompt and you'll be the root user, I believe. If that doesn't work, let me know and I'll figure it out for you.

As far as lightweight Window managers are concerned, FC3 (I believe) also has XFce which is a nice, lightweight WM. I've heard good things about it.

139 posted on 01/22/2005 3:54:05 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Cyber Liberty

To set the root password on Knoppix, start up a command line console, get root privileges by entering "su -l" then enter "passwd" and set it to anything you like.


140 posted on 01/22/2005 4:10:19 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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