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Peggy Noonan: Way Too Much God (Freepers let's tell her our thoughts)
WSJ ^ | 1/21/05 | Peggy Noonan

Posted on 01/21/2005 4:19:45 AM PST by Mikmur

PEGGY NOONAN

Way Too Much God Was the president's speech a case of "mission inebriation"?

The inaugural address itself was startling. It left me with a bad feeling, and reluctant dislike. Rhetorically, it veered from high-class boilerplate to strong and simple sentences, but it was not pedestrian. George W. Bush's second inaugural will no doubt prove historic because it carried a punch, asserting an agenda so sweeping that an observer quipped that by the end he would not have been surprised if the president had announced we were going to colonize Mars. A short and self-conscious preamble led quickly to the meat of the speech: the president's evolving thoughts on freedom in the world. Those thoughts seemed marked by deep moral seriousness and no moral modesty.

The president's speech seemed rather heavenish. It was a God-drenched speech. This president, who has been accused of giving too much attention to religious imagery and religious thought, has not let the criticism enter him. God was invoked relentlessly. "The Author of Liberty." "God moves and chooses as He wills. We have confidence because freedom is the permanent hope of mankind . . . the longing of the soul."

And yet such promising moments were followed by this, the ending of the speech. "Renewed in our strength--tested, but not weary--we are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." This is--how else to put it?--over the top. It is the kind of sentence that makes you wonder if this White House did not, in the preparation period, have a case of what I have called in the past "mission inebriation." A sense that there are few legitimate boundaries to the desires born in the goodness of their good hearts.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: bush; bushdoctrineunfold; god; gwbanointed; inauguraladdress; inauguration; noonan; peggydowd; president; shesrightguys; w2
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To: Mikmur
Hey Peggy. Way to much *yawn*.

You shouldn't criticize mention of the Almighty, in season or out of season. He gave you your writing talents, after all. The Lord giveth, the Lord taketh away. Blessed be the Lord.

(oh, sorry, too much "God" in this post.)
161 posted on 01/21/2005 6:55:50 AM PST by Antoninus (In hoc sign, vinces †)
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To: Mikmur

Peggy better pray that Bush wins the war on terror. Otherwise talk like this will behead poor Peggy.


162 posted on 01/21/2005 6:56:43 AM PST by joyful1
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To: Mikmur
The president's speech seemed rather heavenish. It was a God-drenched speech.

It's obvious she ain't got a clue what it's like to have a true walk with OUR LORD, it's all about HIM - JESUS.

I LOVED IT....I LOVED IT...WAY TO GO MR. PRESIDENT....


163 posted on 01/21/2005 6:57:25 AM PST by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: skeeter
Peggy's problem is not too much God, its too much Peggy.

You summed it up perfectly, in fewer words than I ever could!

164 posted on 01/21/2005 6:57:41 AM PST by paulat
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To: ArGee
Frankly, I consider your unwillingness to consider that He must be the motiviator behind a believer's life more dangerous than any believer.

You are leaping to unwarranted conclusions. In a politician I want less of the "I am hearing voices" stuff and more specifics of what the voices are telling him to do. I don't need him to assert that he is following God or Christ. I need to know what he intends to do and then I can decide whether I believe that he is following God or Christ.

166 posted on 01/21/2005 6:58:51 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: buzznut
Some places simply CAN'T be democratized (the Arab World, Sub saharan Africa come to mind); their cultures won't allow it, for all they understand and respect is rule by a strong man, a chieftain.... Trying to teach democracy to an Arab or an African is like trying to teach a rooster to sing like a canary.

Your absolutely right in many respects, buzznut, but here's hoping Iraq is not one of those places. Don't forget the Arab world at least, at one point in time, was considered very cultured and civilized. Former English colonies typically have the best chance of making the transition to some sort of democracy (India, for example.) Next, where the citizens have been allowed to be educated abroad. A lot of Arabs have been educated in the US. Whether reason and free markets can prevail and overthrow the ignorant Islamo-fascists remains to be seen.
167 posted on 01/21/2005 6:59:08 AM PST by N. Beaujon (I)
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To: Mikmur

Isn't this the woman who coined the pharses "thousand points of light" and "shining city on a hill"? She has no business commenting that Bush's speech was over the top.


168 posted on 01/21/2005 6:59:51 AM PST by Grey Ghost II
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To: paulat

Thanks. I realized Peggy was 'round the bend when she dedicated almost half of her Reagan eulogy piece to a petty twenty year old squabble she had had with another WH speechwriter.


169 posted on 01/21/2005 7:03:52 AM PST by skeeter (OBL "Americans" won't honor any law that interferes with their pocketbooks)
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To: ArGee

Dear ArGee, this was not my post. Judgment was not my topic regarding Peggy. I took issue with claming Peggy was right and then comparing President Bush and Mommhamad on post #82.







To: Mikmur
If she thinks there's to much God now. Wait till she stands in judgment then she can file a complaint in person.

86 posted on 01/21/2005 5:54:28 AM PST by BigCinBigD
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170 posted on 01/21/2005 7:03:55 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Mikmur
isn't it accepted that America was founded under God to spread freedom and liberty, both religious and economic?

It absolutely, positively, most certainly is not!

Where on earth (prior to the ascension of of GWB) would you ever get such an idea? Bush makes Wilson look like a reasonable man.

171 posted on 01/21/2005 7:04:57 AM PST by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan.)
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To: paulat
Without discussing content, Noonan STILL missed the purpose of the speech.

So, let us turn the question around. Could you please tell us what you believe to have been the vision that Bush was trying to set forth, and then indicate what "content" supports your interpretation of that vision.

172 posted on 01/21/2005 7:05:36 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
So you liked Clinton's speeches too?

I not even certain that Clinton ever had a particularly memorable (official) speech?...:-)

I do remember the SOTU speech in which he promised to give everything to everybody. I'm surprised I was able to sit through that one.

I also remember that Clinton spoke a little like a preacher and he really liked to use words in groups of three. For example, in his first inaugural address he said, "Americans have ever been a (1)restless, (2)questing, (3)hopeful people" and "(1)Our hopes, (2)our hearts, (3)our hands, are with those on every continent who are building democracy and freedom."

I certainly don't fault Noonan for letting us know her opinion. And, since Noonan was a speechwriter, she would be looking at Bush's speech from an entirely different point of view than mine.

In the end, I can't express how much I loved all the references Bush made to God. I love to see someone be "himself." And it seems like Bush was being Bush. You'd think that humanists would cheer Bush on, for being himself.

What did you think of Clinton's speeches?

173 posted on 01/21/2005 7:06:34 AM PST by syriacus (Title as Queen of the BOXER SNORTS goes to Sen. Babs for her performance on 1/19/2005)
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To: MKM1960
I find Ms. Noonan's criticisms suspect. For heavens sake Andrew Sullivan liked it. Chrissy Matthews liked it. Sounds like jealousy to me.

Yes, odd isn't it?

Only conservatives find his tirade chilling.

174 posted on 01/21/2005 7:07:53 AM PST by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan.)
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To: iconoclast

"Where on earth (prior to the ascension of of GWB) would you ever get such an idea? Bush makes Wilson look like a reasonable man."


L O L


175 posted on 01/21/2005 7:08:36 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: AndyJackson
So, let us turn the question around. Could you please tell us what you believe to have been the vision that Bush was trying to set forth, and then indicate what "content" supports your interpretation of that vision.

No.

177 posted on 01/21/2005 7:09:07 AM PST by paulat
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To: Grey Ghost II
Peggy said: No one will remember what the president said about domestic policy, which was the subject of the last third of the text. This may prove to have been a miscalculation.

She is right on the mark here. For those of us who are constitutional conservatives, this was an enormous miscalculation in my view.

178 posted on 01/21/2005 7:10:55 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: paulat
No.

Why am I not surprised?

179 posted on 01/21/2005 7:12:07 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: buzznut
Good post and welcome to FR.

Don't let the jingoistic fundamentalists on here discourage you.

180 posted on 01/21/2005 7:12:16 AM PST by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan.)
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