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Inside information on the New Jersey murders
Jihad Watch ^ | January 20, 2005 | Unknown

Posted on 01/21/2005 1:32:42 AM PST by moonpie57

A close friend of the Coptic Christian brutally murdered in New Jersey along with his family, Hossam Armanious, is the source of this information, which comes to you exclusively from Jihad Watch:

The Armanious family had inspired several Muslims to convert to Christianity — or thought they had. These converts were actually practicing taqiyya, or religious deception, pretending to be friends of these Christians in order to strengthen themselves against them, as in Qur'an 3:28: "Let believers not make friends with infidels in preference to the faithful -- he that does this has nothing to hope for from Allah -- except in self-defense."

It was these "converts" who knocked on the door of the Armanious home. Of course, the family, not suspecting the deception, was happy to see the "converted" men and willingly let them in to their home. That's why there was no sign of forced entry. Then the "converted" Muslims did their grisly work.

Many Copts are regarding the murders as a warning to the Coptic community as a whole, related to the increasing strife between Copts and Muslims in Egypt and the Copts' energetic efforts in America to get the truth out about the differences between Middle Eastern Christians and Muslims -- differences that the Islamic lobby, with its disingenuous talk of "Arab Americans," routinely glosses over and hopes you don't notice. The Copts, to their immense credit, have been particularly outspoken among Middle Eastern Christians about Muslim oppression. And yes, many are active on Pal Talk debating Muslims.

The nature of the warning? The murders send a signal from the Muslims to the Copts: we are going to behave here the same way we behaved in Egypt, and the First Amendment and American law enforcement will not protect you. Don't expect America to keep you safe from us. The oppression and harassment you thought you had left behind in Egypt has now come to you.

This means, if Armanious's friend is correct, that this is indeed America's Theo van Gogh murder: indication that all Muslims in the nation do not, as we are supposed to believe, unanimously accept the parameters of American pluralism. That at least some are willing to enforce Sharia penalties right here, right now.

But there are so many nominees for the Walter Duranty prize this time that most Americans have no clue of what's going on. Duranty, of course, was the New York Times reporter who knowingly covered up information about the genocidal famine Stalin caused and fueled in Ukraine, and won a Pulitzer Prize for his efforts. The Pinch Sulzberger Times of these dark days should dedicate the whole paper to Duranty's honor, and put his picture on the front page right next to "All the News That's Fit to Print."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: armanious; coptic; newjersey
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Comment #41 Removed by Moderator

To: Boolean Logic
Doesn't matter if you live in the Third World and have 11 kids you can't afford to support.

Too many brown people. I understand where you're coming from now. You must love Margaret Sanger. Why not get yourself a Planned Barrenhood franchise and cash in on your instincts?

42 posted on 01/21/2005 2:50:22 AM PST by Petronski (Alles klar, Herr Kommissar?)
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To: Petronski

Right you are. (Stoopid me thought you really didn't know.)


43 posted on 01/21/2005 2:50:44 AM PST by Banjoguy (The party of Democrats is not democratic.)
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To: Petronski
Where in the middle of the Republican road is the slander and libel of Catholicism placed?

I suspect its that part of the road where believing in our faith, our culture and our Constitution makes us a "group of reactionaries and gun-toting bigoted nuts."

44 posted on 01/21/2005 2:53:51 AM PST by Cornpone
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To: Banjoguy

I did not mean to snap at you. The stench on this thread is trying my patience.


45 posted on 01/21/2005 2:54:17 AM PST by Petronski (Alles klar, Herr Kommissar?)
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To: Petronski

...understand.


46 posted on 01/21/2005 2:56:51 AM PST by Banjoguy (The party of Democrats is not democratic.)
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To: Petronski
He's merely twisted and distorted the definition and reality of casuism beyond any recognition, in order to try to reduce it to taqqiya.

Google tells all. Casuism is a very minor Catholic doctrine if it can only rack up 9 hits in Google. While a foreign religion can get 9000 hits for taqiyya.

47 posted on 01/21/2005 2:59:45 AM PST by dennisw (G_D: Against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: dennisw

Agreed.



His silence roars.


49 posted on 01/21/2005 3:02:04 AM PST by Petronski (Alles klar, Herr Kommissar?)
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To: JoeSixPack1
"two words....Second Amendment."

One word...amen!

Carolyn

50 posted on 01/21/2005 3:03:21 AM PST by CDHart
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To: moonpie57

ping


51 posted on 01/21/2005 3:15:00 AM PST by ViLaLuz
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To: Boolean Logic
If your faith and culture includes tarring all muslims with the same brush as the terrorists (as your posts seem to indicate) then you are a reactionary and a bigot and a nut. If you do so under threat of arms, then you are a gun-toting nut. Our Constitution doesn't give you license for any of these things.

I may be wrong but I don't recall tarring any Muslims. I attacked an institution called Islam, something that Muslims undeserving of tar should be doing themselves just as Christians (who were mostly Catholics) attacked the excesses of a Papacy that perverted their faith. I suppose your definition of a bigot is "that which does not support appeasement" and if I remember correctly the Constitution gives me license to think and say just about anything I want as long as I respect the civil rights of others. That doesn't mean accepting their excuses for THEIR lack of civility...e.g. Allah made me do it.

52 posted on 01/21/2005 3:15:46 AM PST by Cornpone
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To: agere_contra
And here is a snippet

OMG, before you know it, these guys are going to be flying planes into buildings.

I think I'll move to Saudi Arabia where I can be safe from these vile papists.

53 posted on 01/21/2005 3:18:11 AM PST by dinasour (Pajamahadeen)
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To: moonpie57

Call police after you take care of your business.


54 posted on 01/21/2005 3:50:25 AM PST by Maigrey (Ask my Viking Kitty Hoard about their diet of Free Range Tuna..... and Freerange Sumoo Sushi)
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To: moonpie57
I'm really curious to see what comes from this investigation.

I am too.

55 posted on 01/21/2005 4:08:39 AM PST by independentmind
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To: moonpie57
"It was these "converts" who knocked on the door of the Armanious home. Of course, the family, not suspecting the deception, was happy to see the "converted" men and willingly let them in to their home."

A wise person once warned me that it is not the people that threaten you that you need to worry about...it's the ones that don't. This applies to countries as well...France, Germany and Saudi Arabia come to mind.
56 posted on 01/21/2005 4:20:45 AM PST by sierrahome ( Despite the cost of living, have you noticed how it remains so popular?)
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To: seacapn
If an arrest doesn't come out of this quickly, people will rightly lose faith in the ability of the justice system to protect them.

Ya think?

57 posted on 01/21/2005 4:23:44 AM PST by Stentor
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To: moonpie57; seacapn
After the 180 degree turn in what LEOs are saying about the evidence of a robbery and the near total vanishing of the story from local media I am afraid that there will be no arrest and that ten years from now we will see these murders as an episode of Unsolved Mysteries.

Somebody with real muscle is putting the kabosh on this thing.

58 posted on 01/21/2005 4:25:34 AM PST by wtc911 ("I would like at least to know his name.")
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To: moonpie57

The copts must stand up to these vile monsters. Truth and the internet are the enemies of islamofascists.


59 posted on 01/21/2005 4:41:28 AM PST by tkathy (Tyranny breeds terrorism. Freedom breeds peace.)
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To: seacapn
If an arrest doesn't come out of this quickly, people will rightly lose faith in the ability of the justice system to protect them.

This is not necessarily bad. It is always better for people to have a good understanding of reality.

60 posted on 01/21/2005 5:16:32 AM PST by marktwain
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