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Skipper of submarine San Francisco relieved of command
Navy Times | 1/20/5 | William H. McMichael

Posted on 01/20/2005 7:33:30 AM PST by SmithL

Commander Mooney has been reassigned.


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: cmdrmooney; submarine; usn; usssanfrancisco
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To: dread78645

Uncharted Bump.
.........the Uncharted Bump had Chinese motors?


21 posted on 01/20/2005 7:42:51 AM PST by maestro
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To: maestro

/Tim Clancey??


22 posted on 01/20/2005 7:43:24 AM PST by maestro
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To: WildTurkey

I wonder if this is similar to putting a police officer on leave after a shooting.

I'm hopeful that he will be reinstated after the investigation.

BWDIK...


23 posted on 01/20/2005 7:45:35 AM PST by null and void (I don't know how I got over the hill without getting to the top...)
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To: Red Badger

A captain of a US warship is always responsible for his ship and crew. The fact is that the commander of a US Navy ship has awesome powers relative to almost any other segmant of American society. With that power though comes responsibility.

Its indeed unfortunate that the charts may have been suspect but I'm troubled by several questions Why was he so close to a potential obstruction even if the charting wasn't exact? How far off were the charts?

The fact remains that much is expected of our military officers and justifiably so. The Captain of the San Franciso will get fair hearings by men that know what they are doing.


24 posted on 01/20/2005 7:46:10 AM PST by An Old Marine (Freedom isn't Free)
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To: SmithL

Maybe he refused to comply with San Francisco's new disarmament policy?


25 posted on 01/20/2005 7:46:50 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Let's arm all the "patriotic" Democrats and field a penal battalion...)
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To: edcoil

The Commodore rarely has a sense of humor in such matters.


26 posted on 01/20/2005 7:47:35 AM PST by SmithL (ex-Boomer Rider)
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To: SmithL

Reassigned, is to be expected. His ship is in dry dock for who knows how long. Reassigned is no big deal if he is reassigned to another career building position.


27 posted on 01/20/2005 7:47:39 AM PST by jpsb
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To: llevrok
Any facts / rumor how he hit a mountain - uncharted or not?

It's not like they have windshields.

28 posted on 01/20/2005 7:48:21 AM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: An Old Marine

Yes. What is different from the many previous transits made through this region.


29 posted on 01/20/2005 7:49:15 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: An Old Marine
Its indeed unfortunate that the charts may have been suspect but I'm troubled by several questions Why was he so close to a potential obstruction even if the charting wasn't exact? How far off were the charts?

According to reports I've read online, there wasn't a charted obstacle within three miles of the sub's location.

30 posted on 01/20/2005 7:49:34 AM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: llevrok

Pls answer a question - a sub is a boat and a frigate is a ship. What's the difference and why?


31 posted on 01/20/2005 7:49:43 AM PST by llevrok (Straight Guy with a Marteen-eye)
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To: theDentist
Whenever I read of an episode like this, I think about the PT109. If any young Freepers (born after Reagan eliminated the fairness doctrine) ever wonder just how controlled the media was by a few people, consider this.

The commander of the San Francisco was relieved of command for striking an uncharted underwater mountain. John F. Kennedy was hailed as a hero for getting his boat run over by an enemy vessel. I'm not trying to hammer Kennedy, but I can't imagine any other situation in which a commander of a naval vessel could allow his boat to be run over, be lauded as a hero for it, and actually have parade floats built of the destroyed craft.

32 posted on 01/20/2005 7:50:11 AM PST by Richard Kimball (We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men are ready to do violence on our behalf)
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To: Red Badger

Should have had his headlights on high beam!


33 posted on 01/20/2005 7:51:26 AM PST by RetiredArmy (Abortion has killed more children than Hitler's death camps.)
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To: RetiredArmy
Headlights?, Nahhhh FOGlights.

An ocean is nothing more than a very dense fog...

34 posted on 01/20/2005 7:53:51 AM PST by null and void (I don't know how I got over the hill without getting to the top...)
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To: SmithL
The San Francisco was my old boat back in the late-80s. We won the Battle "E" for our squadron and ended the Cold War. That sub sure went to hell after I left :-)

Anyway, the CO had to go since he is ultimately responsible for everything that sub does. One thing I loved about the Navy was accountability -- harsh but always equal (very unlike CBS News). He'll be lucky if he isn't sent to Diego Garcia or presiding over a land-locked bootcamp. But if he's a good guy, he'll redeem himself. Cream rises to the top.

35 posted on 01/20/2005 7:58:09 AM PST by inkling
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To: llevrok
Pls answer a question - a sub is a boat and a frigate is a ship.

No, the frigate is a target.

36 posted on 01/20/2005 7:58:57 AM PST by inkling
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To: Red Badger
This is, unfortunately, how the Navy works.
37 posted on 01/20/2005 7:59:12 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Red Badger
If the mount was not on any of the charts, how can he be held responsible?........

Because the CO in the Navy is responsible for everything.

Keeps 'em on their toes...

38 posted on 01/20/2005 8:00:56 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: shubi
Even if he is not negligent, would you want to be on a crew with a Captain that ran into something?

Why not? If he was not negligent, he is the victim of a random event. If it's a random event, it could have happened to anyone. By this reasoning I should refuse to serve on any crew in the Navy. If one captain is to be shunned, is the Navy superstitious? I doubt it. But I do suspect a CYA culture that destroys careers because self-preservation is prized more highly than loyalty or justice or even the Navy's objective interest in retaining an experienced officer. Maybe it's accepted because in the absence of wartime casualties, this is one way to speed promotions. My two cents.

39 posted on 01/20/2005 8:03:24 AM PST by Romulus (Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?)
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To: inkling

Great submariner answer!!!

What's the old saying? There are two kinds of naval vessels - submarines and targets.


40 posted on 01/20/2005 8:04:12 AM PST by llevrok (Straight Guy with a martini)
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