Slaying of 4 may be tied to (Islamic) religious extremism (NJ Christian family had throats slit)

Bergen Record ^ | Sunday, January 16, 2005 | TOM TRONCONE

[Monterrosa-24]

Where are the photos of the victims posted? I still haven't been able to see their faces.

I'm mad that even WND and Drudge have dropped this story from their lead articles.

[Palladin]

[Palladin]

Quote of the Day from Religion of Peace Advocate:

"I don't think this is religious at all," said Osama Hassan, director of the Islamic Center of Jersey City. "Maybe a few young Christian kids might have the wrong idea, but I think their leaders will set them straight."

[hineybona]

Jersey City is my home town..You have to see it now ..It's Islam Central..What a mess..

[Palladin]

My sympathies. It's a darn shame, what has become of all the old New Jersey towns. I'm afraid to stop there anymore on my way to NYC.

I stopped in Iselin one day and thought I was in Calcutta.

[Cinnamon]

We need to bring back The Crusades to thin out their ranks for a couple of centuries once again..

[hineybona]

Indians are very cool people .I know quite a few . They usually are VERY educated , work hard as all hell , love and respect America and have not the greatest love for Islam at all. Edison NJ has a big Indian population as well. Very well mannered and well spoken people . I've studied sitar for a few years and got to know them quite well.

[semaj]

Anytimea user logs onto his/her account, a log is generated which includes the IP address of the client, (fixed or dynamic) and also a MAC address , both of which are unique. Classes or blocks of IP addresses are "owned" by your ISP. it is a simple matter to find out to what network an IP is orignating from.

Once the authorities have made that determination they than subpeona the ISP for the server logs, which are date-time stamped.

Dial-up connections include built-in caller id within the communication servers (modem pools) and make it relatively easy to trace back to the user, dynamic IP assignments for broadband connections take a little bit more work to trace, static IP connections are more easiliy traced back to the user.

[TexKat]

Where are the photos of the victims posted? I still haven't been able to see their faces.

Hossam Armanious

Hossam Armanious, 47, and wife Amal Garas, 37, who along with their children were found dead, bound and gagged with throat wounds on January 14, 2005 at approximately 4:00 a.m. at 85 Oakland Avenue in Jersey City. Anyone with information can contact the Hudson County Prosecutor's Office at (201) 915-1344. (Photo by - Handout)

Sylvia Armanious,16, who along with parents Hossam Armanious, 47, and wife Amal Garas, 37, and sister were found dead, bound and gagged with throat wounds on January 14, 2005.

Handout photo of Monica Armanious, 8, who along with parents Hossam Armanious, 47, and wife Amal Garas, 37, and sister were found dead in Jersey City.

[rotundusmaximus]

There is a another lesson that needs to be digested here along with "who done it". Many Christians fled from these countries precisely because they were the targets of Islamic persecution. When we finally have enough of these Islamic fanatics in this country and start doing something about them, we want to make sure these Arab Christians aren't victimized by the reaction of those who are indescriminately after "all ragheads" and consider everyone from these countries as coming from the same root. There are many decent, Christian Arabs in America. These victims were four of them.

AMEN!

[happygrl]

About 20 years ago the Black Muslim factions in DC had a tiff, and the result was a similar slaughter on upper 16th Street NW. Everyone in the house had their throats slit. Men, women, children, infants.

The house was owned by Kareem Abdul-Jabar, as I recall......

[Sheri ne maria]

My friends, we are entering an era which has been in the making for centuries. Our churches have moved to the lands of immigration to escape the persecutions of the followers of the devil. We are each responsible for our own spritual well being , and we must hold on to God, and trust that He will save us in the last day. That He will bring us redemption, and we will defeat the evil doers(3adow le khair). When we see what's happening in the world today, and relate it to what was written in the Bible, we can very clearly see that(even though we don't know when) the time may be near. That means we must rely on the Mercy of Our Lord, and Hope in the Lord, and pray that he may have compassion on us and save us. It is far better to keep ourselves focused on spritual growth, then it is to divert our attention to the troubles of the world(which are many & inevitable) even if these troubles hit home. Remember: we are the the only problem that the devil really has(the Coptic Church in particular) and other christian churches which have endured persecutions since the beginning. I will try my best to write a more informative post in the near future, God willing.

The Peace of the Lord Be with you Amen.
Toronto, Canada.

[Snapple]

In Pakistan, extremist Sunis with ties to Al Qaeda are often killing Shhia or Izmaili Muslims. They want to start a sectarian civil war to destabilize the government.

Whenever someone is murdered, the other side goes on the rampage and kills some usually innocent person from the other religion.

If this was a religious killing, the smart thing is to let the police handle it and not "take the law into our own hands (become terrorists) like the criminals. We have good police and courts. They will handle it.

Al Qaeda would like to see riots which kill Muslims in America. This would give them good propaganda. Keep your powder dry. American Muslims are mostly middle-class people who have fled the craziness at home. They don't like terrorism. Al Qaeda would like to radicalize these people by making them the targets of violence.

Let the law do its job. Mob violence is terrorism.

[Snapple]

Here is a description of the funeral.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/18/nyregion/18jersey.html

Some Muslim leaders came and were welcomed by the Coptic priest, but some of the Christians were very angry and a fight started.

Please note that the Coptic priest kissed the Muslim Imam; they seem to be friends.

I know that CAIR has issues; at the same time, some people in these organizations are sincere and not trying to manipulate the organization for terrorism.

At Free Republic, people often ask, "Why don't the Muslims denounce terrorism?" The Muslims who came to this funeral did, but some Christians didn't accept it.

[Snapple]

In a telephone interview yesterday afternoon, Sheik Saleh said he never intended to cause trouble and regretted attending the funeral. "I didn't come to hurt anyone, I came to support them," said Sheikh Saleh, 42, the imam of the Oulel Albab Mosque on Bay Ridge Avenue, sounding shaken. "I am sorry."
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/18/nyregion/18jersey.html

[Snapple]

This Muslim tried to show his respects and show that Islam is against terrorism; instead he got terrorised. I am sure Al Qaeda will be happy that this happened. They will use it to show there is persecution of Islam by Christians in America. Many Muslims are persecuted by the "Muslim" fanatics. Not all Muslims support terrorism.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/18/nyregion/18jersey.html

"Those are killers!" yelled one man as Sheik Tarek Yousof Saleh, a Muslim cleric from Bay Ridge, Brooklyn, left the funeral site, escorted by police officers. "We don't want them in the church!"

In a telephone interview yesterday afternoon, Sheik Saleh said he never intended to cause trouble and regretted attending the funeral. "I didn't come to hurt anyone, I came to support them," said Sheikh Saleh, 42, the imam of the Oulel Albab Mosque on Bay Ridge Avenue, sounding shaken. "I am sorry."

[livius]

I agree with you that the Muslims who came did not mean to be disrespectful. I wish that it would be found out that the crime had nothing to do with religion or politics, although I am afraid it does.

To some extent, perhaps it is good that the Muslim community - which apparently has put pressure on the Coptic community in that area for some time - is made aware that Copts are not going to accept this harrassment passively anymore. The only thing the majority of Muslims seem to respect is superior force. That said, I still feel that the Muslims who turned up at the funeral were doing so with a conciliatory spirit, and the gesture should have been accepted.

[Snapple]

Thanks! The Egyptian Muslims and Christians had been getting along in this community until this happened. After all, they are all Egyptians. They probably go to the same restaurants and share many customs.

It is a big mistake to let the terrorists cause sectarian strife. That is exactly what they do in Pakistan.

Here, of course, there is more confidence in the integrity and competence of the police. You know they are going to move heaven and earth to get these people. And it may be a Muslim who hears what happened and rats them out, but don't expect to hear that in the papers.

Please remember, the main target of Al Qaeda is Muslims.
If innocent Muslims are attacked by "Christians," these
"Christians" are really acting as agents of Al Qaeda.

Don't do their dirty work! Let the law catch the criminals.

[Snapple]

These clergymen were peacemakers, but the crowd was too angry.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/18/nyregion/18jersey.html

The uproar outside the community center of St. George and St. Shenouda Coptic Orthodox Church, on Bergen Avenue, began when some of the hundreds of mourners present saw a Coptic bishop hug the sheik before the sheik left in a police car, several members of the church said. According to the Rev. Antonious Tanious and several other Coptic Christians, two men began screaming at Bishop David, who presides over the Coptic churches in the Northeast, asking him how he could let a Muslim attend the service.

Panicked police officers whisked the two men and some others into a nearby garage and closed the metal door just as a swell of people, some screaming and waving wooden crosses, pressed up against the door.

[livius]

Actually, I believe there have been tensions between the Muslim and Coptic communities in New Jersey, which carry over from the Muslim persecution of Copts in Egypt. The Copts in New Jersey do have every reason to be upset about this and it's pretty reasonable to suspect that Muslims may have committed the crime. (Still, there exists an outside possibility that it was not related to religion at all.)

However, I agree that the police should be allowed to investigate the crime and that vigilante justice is not the way to go. In any case, the Muslims who showed up at the funeral were probably not the bad guys.