Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Graner gets 10 years for torture

Posted on 01/15/2005 2:32:03 PM PST by AVNevis

Per MSNBC


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS:
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 461-470 next last
To: AVNevis

Wow....10 years? Many of the Nazi murderers at Nuremburg got off with less than that.


41 posted on 01/15/2005 2:57:54 PM PST by Godebert
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: AVNevis

I think it is justified also, and he better hope that whatever facility he goes to, doesn't have a contingent of Muslims in it---

Also, wasn't this the same guy that was a civilian prison guard with a bad reputation for mistreatment, before he went into the service? If it is, then he really deserves his sentence!

Can you imagine the future for Lindy England and his baby? That poor thing is doomed, unless put up for adoption!!


42 posted on 01/15/2005 2:59:04 PM PST by Txsleuth (Proud to be a Texan)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: KiloLima
And what happens to whoever was supposed to be "in charge" at the prison?

From the Taguba Report:

c. In addition, numerous officers and senior NCOs have been reprimanded/disciplined for misconduct during this period. Those disciplined include; (ANNEXES 43 and 102)
1). (U) BG Janis Karpinski, Commander, 800th MP Brigade
Memorandum of Admonishment by LTG Sanchez, Commander, CJTF-7, on 17 January 2004.

2). (U) LTC (P) Jerry Phillabaum, Commander, 320th MP Battalion
GOMOR from BG Karpinski, Commander 800th MP Brigade, on 10 November 2003, for lack of leadership and for failing to take corrective security measures as ordered by the Brigade Commander; filed locally
Suspended by BG Karpinski, Commander 800th MP Brigade, 17 January 2004; Pending Relief for Cause, for dereliction of duty

3). (U) LTC Dale Burtyk, Commander, 400th MP Battalion
GOMOR from BG Karpinski, Commander 800th MP Brigade, on 20 August 2003, for failure to properly train his Soldiers. (Soldier had negligent discharge of M-16 while exiting his vehicle, round went into fuel tank); filed locally.

4). (U) MAJ David DiNenna, S-3, 320th MP Battalion
GOMOR from LTG McKiernan, Commander CFLCC, on 25 May 2003, for dereliction of duty for failing to report a violation of CENTCOM General Order #1 by a subordinate Field Grade Officer and Senior Noncommissioned Officer, which he personally observed; returned to soldier unfiled.
GOMOR from BG Karpinski, Commander 800th MP Brigade, on 10 November 03, for failing to take corrective security measures as ordered by the Brigade Commander; filed locally.

5). (U) MAJ Stacy Garrity, Finance Officer, 800th MP Brigade
GOMOR from LTG McKiernan, Commander CFLCC, on 25 May 2003, for violation of CENTCOM General Order #1, consuming alcohol with an NCO; filed locally.

6). (U) CPT Leo Merck, Commander, 870th MP Company
Court-Martial Charges Preferred, for Conduct Unbecoming an Officer and Unauthorized Use of Government Computer in that he was alleged to have taken nude pictures of his female Soldiers without their knowledge; Trial date to be announced.

7). (U) CPT Damaris Morales, Commander, 770th MP Company
GOMOR from BG Karpinski, Commander 800th MP Brigade, on 20 August 2003, for failing to properly train his Soldiers (Soldier had negligent discharge of M-16 while exiting his vehicle, round went into fuel tank); filed locally.

8). (U) CSM Roy Clement, Command Sergeant Major, 800th MP Brigade
· GOMOR and Relief for Cause from BG Janis Karpinski, Commander 800th MP Brigade, for fraternization and dereliction of duty for fraternizing with junior enlisted soldiers within his unit; GOMOR officially filed and he was removed from the CSM list.

9). (U) CSM Edward Stotts, Command Sergeant Major, 400th MP Battalion
GOMOR from BG Karpinski, Commander 800th MP Brigade, on 20 August 2003, for failing to properly train his Soldiers (Soldier had negligent discharge of M-16 while exiting his vehicle, round went into fuel tank); filed locally.

10). (U) 1SG Carlos Villanueva, First Sergeant, 770th MP Company
GOMOR from BG Karpinski, Commander 800th MP Brigade, on 20 August 2003, for failing to properly train his Soldiers (Soldier had negligent discharge of M-16 while exiting his vehicle, round went into fuel tank); filed locally.

11). (U) MSG David Maffett, NBC NCO, 800th MP Brigade,
GOMOR from LTG McKiernan, Commander CFLCC, on 25 May 2003, for violation of CENTCOM General Order #1, consuming alcohol; filed locally.

12) (U) SGM Marc Emerson, Operations SGM, 320th MP Battalion,
· Two GO Letters of Concern and a verbal reprimand from BG Karpinski, Commander 800th MP Brigade, for failing to adhere to the guidance/directives given to him by BG Karpinski; filed locally.


43 posted on 01/15/2005 2:59:22 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: Blzbba
Hell, why is that asshat STILL alive?!

We don't like it when other countries tell us how to conduct our own legal business. The flip side of that coin is that we shouldn't look to other countries for a yardstick from which to gauge the justness of our military justice.

The media will harp this up one wall and down the other. However, we need to separate that from the relevance of the decision rendered.

44 posted on 01/15/2005 2:59:37 PM PST by dirtboy (To make a pearl, you must first irritate an oyster)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: KiloLima
In addition Maj Gen Taguba recommended:

RECOMMENDATIONS AS TO PART THREE OF THE INVESTIGATION:  

1.  (U) That BG Janis L. Karpinski, Commander, 800th MP Brigade be Relieved from Command and given a General Officer Memorandum of Reprimand for the following acts which have been previously referred to in the aforementioned findings:

2.  (U) That COL Thomas M. Pappas, Commander, 205th MI Brigade, be given a General Officer Memorandum of Reprimand and Investigated UP Procedure 15, AR 381-10, US Army Intelligence Activities for the following acts which have been previously referred to in the aforementioned findings:

3.   (U) That LTC (P) Jerry L. Phillabaum, Commander, 320th MP Battalion, be Relieved from Command, be given a General Officer Memorandum of Reprimand, and be removed from the Colonel/O-6 Promotion List for the following acts which have been previously referred to in the aforementioned findings:

4.   (U) That LTC Steven L. Jordan, Former Director, Joint Interrogation and Debriefing Center and Liaison Officer to 205th Military Intelligence Brigade, be relieved from duty and be given a General Officer Memorandum of Reprimand for the following acts which have been previously referred to in the aforementioned findings:

5.   (U) That MAJ David W. DiNenna, Sr., S-3, 320th MP Battalion, be Relieved from his position as the Battalion S-3 and be given a General Officer Memorandum of Reprimand for the following acts which have been previously referred to in the aforementioned findings:

6.  (U) That CPT Donald J. Reese, Commander, 372nd MP Company, be Relieved from Command and be given a General Officer Memorandum of Reprimand for the following acts which have been previously referred to in the aforementioned findings: 

7.  (U) That 1LT Lewis C. Raeder, Platoon Leader, 372nd MP Company, be Relieved from his duties as Platoon Leader and be given a General Officer Memorandum of Reprimand for the following acts which have been previously referred to in the aforementioned findings:

8.  (U) That SGM Marc Emerson, Operations SGM, 320th MP Battalion, be Relieved from his duties and given a General Officer Memorandum of Reprimand for the following acts which have been previously referred to in the aforementioned findings:

9.  (U) That 1SG Brian G. Lipinski, First Sergeant, 372nd MP Company, be Relieved from his duties as First Sergeant of the 372nd MP Company and given a General Officer Memorandum of Reprimand for the following acts which have been previously referred to in the aforementioned findings:

10. (U) That SFC Shannon K. Snider, Platoon Sergeant, 372nd MP Company, be Relieved from his duties, receive a General Officer Memorandum of Reprimand, and receive action under the Uniform Code of Military Justice for the following acts which have been previously referred to in the aforementioned findings:

11. (U) That Mr. Steven Stephanowicz, Contract US Civilian Interrogator, CACI, 205th Military Intelligence Brigade, be given an Official Reprimand to be placed in his employment file, termination of employment, and generation of a derogatory report to revoke his security clearance for the following acts which have been previously referred to in the aforementioned findings:

12. (U) That Mr. John Israel,Contract US Civilian Interpreter, CACI, 205th Military Intelligence Brigade, be given an Official Reprimand to be placed in his employment file and have his security clearance reviewed by competent authority for the following acts or concerns which have been previously referred to in the aforementioned findings:

13. (U) I find that there is sufficient credible information to warrant an Inquiry UP Procedure 15, AR 381-10, US Army Intelligence Activities, be conducted to determine the extent of culpability of MI personnel, assigned to the 205th MI Brigade and the Joint Interrogation and Debriefing Center (JIDC) at Abu Ghraib (BCCF).  Specifically, I suspect that COL Thomas M. Pappas, LTC Steve L. Jordan, Mr. Steven Stephanowicz, and Mr. John Israel were either directly or indirectly responsible for the abuses at Abu Ghraib (BCCF) and strongly recommend immediate disciplinary action as described in the preceding paragraphs as well as the initiation of a Procedure 15 Inquiry to determine the full extent of their culpability.  (Annex 36)


45 posted on 01/15/2005 3:00:23 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: Gin and Sex

drunken ted got a govt job for worse


46 posted on 01/15/2005 3:00:50 PM PST by italianquaker (CATHOLIC AND I VOTE BUSH=MANDATE)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

Comment #47 Removed by Moderator

To: AVNevis

he wasn't convicted of torture


48 posted on 01/15/2005 3:01:03 PM PST by chemical_boy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: plain talk
Was punching an inmate in the head,knocking him into a wall and leaving a bloody trail down the wall,with the result being that the inmate had a concussion and was completely knocked out,"no biggie"? That's also what he did and is being prosecuted for.

But what you said,IS also at the root of this too.

49 posted on 01/15/2005 3:01:27 PM PST by nopardons
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: Albert Barr

Obviously,you don't know all that much about what this case.It would really help you quite a lot,to research this matter.


50 posted on 01/15/2005 3:03:11 PM PST by nopardons
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: Txsleuth

Please excuse the sentence structure on the last post---I was referring to Lindie England and Graner's baby. Sheesh, I couldn't even understand what I said!!!


51 posted on 01/15/2005 3:03:16 PM PST by Txsleuth (Proud to be a Texan)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: AVNevis

The US should be ashamed of sending this soldier to jail. Notice how the intell. higher ups are running for cover. He'd have been better off if he'd just beheaded the prisoners. Nothing's said or done about Muslims who do that.


52 posted on 01/15/2005 3:04:36 PM PST by hershey
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: plain talk

"Graner, a 36-year-old reservist from Uniontown, Pa., faced 10 counts under five separate charges: Assault, conspiracy, maltreatment of detainees, committing indecent acts and dereliction of duty. He was found guilty on all counts, except that one assault count was downgraded to battery.

The shocking photos of reservists abusing and sexually humiliating prisoners were first broadcast on CBS's ``60 Minutes II'' in April.

A month later, President Bush urged Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to make sure that any guilty U.S. soldiers be punished for ``shameful and appalling acts.''


53 posted on 01/15/2005 3:04:44 PM PST by stopem
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: nmh

Typically, Fort Levenworth, Kansas would be the destination for active duty military offenders. This may have changed over the past 30 years. IT was a fortress like structure, several tiers high, built in the 1860's. Ten years is way over the top. This is not justice. This is a media lynching.


54 posted on 01/15/2005 3:04:52 PM PST by MountainYankee
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: KiloLima; Flyer; Eaker; humblegunner; thackney; dix; TheMom; pax_et_bonum

Absolutely...

Whatever people saw in those stupid pictures PALES in comparision to what you will not see, that actually is torture, or softening up of prisoners to get them prepared for the "real" interrogations to follow...

All this naked-ness, leash bags over their heads and having women in their presense is an absolute physically painless method of getting the results the "intelligence" community needed at the time...

Just goes to show how absolutely stupid and gutless some people are who think that that treatment and conditions rendered in Abu Graib wasn't warranted or justified...

I guess it would be better to just line a bunch of them up, shoot the first prisoner, ask the next one a question, if no answer is given, shoot that one, and proceed down the line till you get an answer...Seem rediculously reasonable to me...Saves money and time...

But then again those who are offended by these actions, so far, think you'd hear about stuff like what I just theorized...

Otherwise I guess it would be better for us and the rest of the world if we just wrap our arms around these poor individuals, hug them and squeeze them and call them George, before we let them go with a $1000 in their pocket and wish them well...

Maybe they, and the rest of the world will think better of us then...

Geesh...Forgive me...I am just shooting from the hip on this one...


55 posted on 01/15/2005 3:04:53 PM PST by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: KiloLima
I can't speculate on whether or not anyone above Graner was involved.

But his gleeful face in those photographs is worth 10 years in and of itself, perhaps more.
56 posted on 01/15/2005 3:05:03 PM PST by SolutionsOnly (but some people really NEED to be offended...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: Txsleuth

You are excused.

And since both are in prison (wasn't England sent to jail?) I would think the baby would have to be put up for adoption.


57 posted on 01/15/2005 3:05:10 PM PST by AVNevis (You are never too young to stand up for America)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies]

To: FreedomCalls

Don't you think that Sanchez was also taken out of Iraq because of this "scandal"?


58 posted on 01/15/2005 3:05:29 PM PST by Txsleuth (Proud to be a Texan)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: nopardons

also, in a realistic way, how many of those prisoners are insurgents with bad intentions, and how many are simply innocent men held under suspicion?

I've been in a few holding cells, and no cop has asked me to form a naked pyramid with other soldiers. This is no joke people, even *if* guilty, mockery by the people in command is nothing to laugh about. And thats only one picture of what we saw, god knows what is happening now.

I want to see the bad man rid of, but his verdict doesn't surprise me. I'm actually pleased because he should not be any sort of representative/precedence to go by. If they are jailed under god knows what conditions, let them have their food and sleep. Plastic bags on the head and dogs are not acceptable IMO. America doesn't do it to their own, why do it to them?

Just my two cents.

-skeggs


59 posted on 01/15/2005 3:05:44 PM PST by skeggsaw
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies]

To: Txsleuth

I do.


60 posted on 01/15/2005 3:06:07 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 58 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 461-470 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson