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Graner gets 10 years for torture

Posted on 01/15/2005 2:32:03 PM PST by AVNevis

Per MSNBC


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To: nopardons
No, no, Palladin found me out, fair and square. Curses, my evil plans have been foiled again.

He's just too clever and well spoken for me to debate.

261 posted on 01/15/2005 5:35:21 PM PST by Steel Wolf (Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules. Mark it zero, Dude.)
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To: Getsmart64

FYI: Graner and his crew have the blood of the contractors whose burnt bodies hung from that green bridge plus on their hands.


262 posted on 01/15/2005 5:37:03 PM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Getsmart64
Dig,dig,dig,dig...keep right on digging your own grave.

If anyone is in over their head,it is you. As a matter of fact,you drowned long ago and are just too stupid to realize it.

Actually you are far stupider than I first supposed you to be.

263 posted on 01/15/2005 5:37:21 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Getsmart64
No...they didn't hurt the military....all of your news outlets hurt the military

There wouldn't be a story if we didn't hand it to them. No one invented Abu Ghraib. Dan Rather didn't dream it up. It happened, because the system broke down, and that section of the Army failed.

The news outlets are not to blame for that.

Blaming the media is disingenous. The Army needs to maintain discipline regardless of whether or not anyone is watching.

264 posted on 01/15/2005 5:39:58 PM PST by Steel Wolf (Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules. Mark it zero, Dude.)
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To: Steel Wolf

ROTFLMAOPIMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


265 posted on 01/15/2005 5:39:58 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Steel Wolf

We all know you're a wolf in sheik's clothing!

With that, I'll depart back to the humor threads, where I actually have some fans.


266 posted on 01/15/2005 5:40:34 PM PST by Palladin (Proud to be a FReeper!)
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To: Getsmart64

When he took those photos, sent those photos..he endangered his own. The media does what it does..

Pictures are forever...I despise his harming our military. I despise that he gave the media a story to tell in pictures..I despise his perverse pleasure shown in the pictures.
I despise the lack of command discipline.


267 posted on 01/15/2005 5:40:58 PM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: Getsmart64
No point...was not good journalism...sorry...was a weak reference on your part....

No what is weak, is you and your thought process.

268 posted on 01/15/2005 5:41:16 PM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: MEG33
I despise what he did....HE HURT OUR MILITARY

Bingo. You get it.

269 posted on 01/15/2005 5:42:17 PM PST by CheneyChick
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To: Long Cut
Notice, no one's answering the questions about service yet?

Just the sound of crickets. Which is ironic, considering the fact that THEY brought it up.

270 posted on 01/15/2005 5:42:50 PM PST by Steel Wolf (Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules. Mark it zero, Dude.)
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To: Long Cut
"If you haven't read the Taguba Report, do so before shooting your mouth off."

No..I did not read the report...so tell me...what was the status of the prisoners?

"WHat branch are you in?"

83'-86' Army MOS 11B
86'-91' AF AFSC 328x4 Intertial Nav
currently a civilian tech rep for the military...LANTIRN is my current speciality with my main background in ATE...
271 posted on 01/15/2005 5:43:22 PM PST by Getsmart64 (LANTIRN - Designed to kill, maim, and destroy ....America's enemies...)
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To: Palladin
Torture is the Bataan Death March. Torture is standing naked Jews out in an icy prison yard in subzero temperatures for hours. Torture is tossing Chinese babies in the air and catching them on Japanese bayonets while the mothers wail in agony. Torture is Oliver Cromwell hanging young Irish mothers from trees, and hanging their toddlers tied in the mothers' hair.

By that definition, none of our POWs in Vietnam or North Korea were ever tortured. Tell that to the vets who were there. I'm sure they would disagree.

And interesting is your description here: "Torture is standing naked Jews out in an icy prison yard in subzero temperatures for hours." It sounds a lot like the abuse that went on at Abu Ghraib:

"H could not see what went on inside the interrogation room but she could hear the screams and some of the questions asked during the interrogations. Whenever interrogators brought in a new prisoner, they would always bring in a block of ice. She did not know why they brought the ice or how they used it during interrogation. But the interrogation sessions always included the ice block and were followed, a few hours later, by a visit to the prisoner, who by then would be unconscious, by two doctors, an American and an Iraqi. The prisoners were invariably taken out of the interrogation room unconscious."
So was that torture or not?
272 posted on 01/15/2005 5:47:14 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Getsmart64
Tell you what...you go read the Taguba Report, and then come back. I'm not doing your homework for you.

A civilian tech rep? Gee, what a shock (not).

You ought to hang out in the mess halls and cofee lounges to hear what the guys are talking about amongst themselves.

273 posted on 01/15/2005 5:47:21 PM PST by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: Steel Wolf

The media ran Abu Ghraib as a headliner on the front page for almost a solid month. The pictures were endlessly thrown in front of everybody's face the world round. The primary motivation was to try and pin this one on Bush, but the effect was to blow this way out of proportion. Sy Hersch promised pictures of torture and rape by US soldiers. They never materialized, but he never retracted.

Yes, the media was handed a story, but they turned it into a circus, and one which hurt America and endangered Americans. How you can hold them blameless in this matter is beyond my understanding.

Even today, the 'media' drags up Abu Ghraib at the drop of a hat. Anytime the terrorists commit an atrocity, you will find some antiwar nitwit remind us of Abu Ghraib and implying it is all our fault. There have been multiple trial balloons in the past month over Abu Ghraib, trying to get it on the front page again. This story has legs for one reason -- the antiwar left wants to discredit the Iraq War. To blame that all on Graner, dispicable though he may be, is shortsighted and lack basic fairness.


276 posted on 01/15/2005 5:49:29 PM PST by Da Mav
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To: nopardons
When he didn't get what he desired,he wrote to Wes Clark,with the pictures,who sent them to Mapes.

Minor correction, but he sent them to Col David Hackworth, who sent them to Mapes.

277 posted on 01/15/2005 5:49:42 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: rommy; MeekOneGOP; PhilDragoo; dennisw; SJackson; F15Eagle; Salem
Just saw this - ping.

10 years is a bit harsh.

278 posted on 01/15/2005 5:50:51 PM PST by Happy2BMe ("Islam fears democracy worse than anything- If the imams can't control it - they will kill it.)
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To: CheneyChick

Do I hate the overblown media coverage, of course..predictable.

Do I also hate the pontificating of the anti war dems and Eurotwits..of course I hate it..but they don't care if they harm our military or our mission.....and Graner and crew gave them ammo in pictures to rant about.

Do I know the Islamofascists don't blink at maiming, beheading or torture..of course...Graner gave them ammo in pictures to draw their ridiculous parallels.

They harmed our military.

I hate it.


279 posted on 01/15/2005 5:50:54 PM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: nopardons
"The Geneva Convention doesn't cover common criminals."

EXACTLY!!!....The Geneva convention does NOT have precedence in this case or any other case that involves islamofacists...jeez...do NOT charge a GI under Geneva Convention rules when it does not apply....why are we having military personnel guarding regular civilian criminals??...or are they?
280 posted on 01/15/2005 5:52:26 PM PST by Getsmart64 (LANTIRN - Designed to kill, maim, and destroy ....America's enemies...)
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