Posted on 01/15/2005 2:32:03 PM PST by AVNevis
Per MSNBC
Had Graner been a German when the Nazi party came to power, I have no doubt that he would have been among the first to don a brown shirt and jackboots.
His mentality is identical to the mentality of those who perpetrated all of the horrors you mentioned.
More to the point though, he's a criminal and deserves to pay for his crimes.
Nobody is ever above the law. That is one of the founding principles of modern Western civilization.
Repeat. Nobody is EVER above the law.
To say that he should be given a medal is disgusting.
(Sorry for the double post, I screwed up my html in the first one and didn't bother to preview it. My mistake!)
Go back to DU, you stupid troll.
Ah..now I understand your posts.
Plain old bad genes.
Interesting how you're repeating liberal talking points.
Medals for having the balls to treat the scum of the earth Palace Guard as they deserved to be treated.
Oh yes, he knows right from wrong. He just thinks that laws do not apply to him.
Three Protection-From-Abuse Orders June 16, 1997
A Suit Alleges Prison Abuse June 29, 1998
Day Shift in the County Prison - Working full time on the afternoon shift at the Fayette County Prison, Graner decided to play a practical joke on a new guard named Robert Tajc.
"He squirted Mace in this dude's coffee," remembers Carl Opel Jr., another guard. "Just to be a jack-off."
"It was a joke," says Tajc, who drank the coffee, became nauseated, vomited and went home sick.
Not only was Graner doing England Abu Ghraib but also Megan Ambuhl whose testimony was dismissed because of her feelings toward Graner according to reports.
"I think everyone I've pinged finds it fascinating that there are "conservatives" out there who think that military regulations are merely suggestions, to be broken on a whim, without adverse consequence."
I was told by an O-6....."Every regulation is waiverable"...take it for what it's worth....
Graner wasn't even an MP...he was just a prison guard.
Graner's uncle was angry that his nephew was in trouble for doing what he had done and in BIG trouble with the military. So he wrote to the president (I think) and to people in the Pentagon to complain.When he didn't get what he desired,he wrote to Wes Clark,with the pictures,who sent them to Mapes.
I really don't think it takes balls to treat prisoners like crap.
Give the prisoners weapons, and then treat 'em like crap, and I'd say that would take some serious balls.
Interesting--I was told the same thing by an O-6 who wound up getting relieved for cause and dismissed from the service.
I'll bet he is. Before he was in Iraq he was a Prison guard in the US where he was accused and fired for some of the same things he was convicted of in this case. Talk about coming full circle.
Let's not forget that, in his civilian life, Graner was dogged by such charges of being a sadistic punk and an abuser. Let's also not forget he was a Prison Guard, and should have known not to do what he did. One wonders just how many of his former charges' lawyers are now talking to the prisoners he guarded.
Oh, and there's his knocking up of Linndie England (and after seeing that halfwitted inbred on TV, I cannot imagine a normal male touching her at all), and posting photos for all and sunder to see.
Note to all: the prisoner abuse WAS NOT DONE to "soften them up" or interrogate them. Such things are NOT DONE by reservist soldiers on the main floor. It was done to feed the perversion and sick fantasies of Graner & co., who disgraced the US military and deserve everything they get and more.
My ONLY regret is that BG Karpinski, the general responsible for the whole mess, escaped relatively unscathed. She and Graner should be sharing a cell.
Now,NOWE,you think that Rummy set Garner the rogue,abusive ex-private sector prison guard up?
Have you followed this case at all,or are you just an anti-Rummy/anti-war CINO?
lol!
Confucious say, 'Check profile before talk smack'.
Graner is taking the rap for everyone higher up, including your darling Rumsfeld.
Are you implying that darling Rumsfeld ordered Graner to indulge his whacked out prison sex fantasies as part of some master intelligence collection scheme? Or that layer upon layer of career minded officers went along with a plan that, aside from being really, really wierd, was clearly illegal? Isn't that a bizare risk to take with your nation's security, using people as unqualified as some National Guard MPs?
I mean, that's possible and all, but isn't it more likely that a few bored jerks starting having some vicious, power-tripping fun, and got caught?
Why do the liberals in this country care more about the well being of the murdering enemies of this Nation than it does for our own flesh and blood?
And more mportantly why do we tolerate this idiocy?
It's sick, sick, sick!
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