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F***ing with Freepers: Sex catapults me to the big time
Creative Loafing (Atlanta) ^ | 1/13/05 | CLIFF BOSTOCK

Posted on 01/14/2005 7:57:27 AM PST by madprof98

Woo hoo! I've made the big time. Last month, the website Free Republic featured a thread about my Nov. 18 column, "Queers Who Don't Act Right." You probably don't know much about Free Republic unless you are a right-wing lunatic. Free Republic is so far right that wing-nut gay muckraker Matt Drudge and Lucianne Goldberg, one of the architects of the Clinton-Monica Lewinsky brouhaha, both left the site in 1999 because it was too extreme, even for them.

In the years since, the site has become the contemporary version of a marathon meeting of the old John Birch Society and the KKK. Most recently, Free Republic was in the news when John Corsi, one of the Swift Boat Veterans who authored a book attacking John Kerry, turned out to post embarrassingly racist messages there. (Of course, he argued his racist insults were all "a joke." Talk about your Clintonian rhetoric.) The site also was in the news recently because someone correctly posted that Dan Rather had relied on phony documents to impute President Bush's National Guard service.

Free Republic is so extreme that it's a blast to read. Don't bother to explore the site with the idea of posting an alternative perspective or to correct facts. Your post will simply be deleted, despite its owner's celebration of freedom of speech. The site has no hesitation in reprinting copyrighted material, like my column, even though the Washington Post and Los Angeles Times both successfully sued to stop such theft. In other words, as is generally true of the lunatic far right, the truth, free speech and the law only matter when they support their point of view.

Of course, Freepers, as the creepy wing-nuts on the site are called, were not alone in being outraged by my column. I received quite a lot of mail, mainly from other gay people, questioning my argument that LA Fitness at Ansley Mall overreacted when it closed its sauna because of some occasional sex and reopened it with a new picture window overlooking the locker room. As an update, I might add that the window has effectively eliminated unseen sexual interactions inside the sauna and made room for another, more open form of sex between people on either side of the window: exhibitionism and voyeurism.

Most of my correspondents argued that the occasional discovery of sex in the sauna merited involvement by the police and the health department, reconstruction of the sauna and a report by one of the local TV stations. And, as usual, they concluded that because I called that overreacting, I must favor sex in public spaces. No matter that I said I find the behavior annoying. To be righteous, I must find it -- what? -- criminally actionable.

I wasn't surprised by the reaction. Sex troubles people more than anything. That's why Clinton was impeached for lying about a blowjob, while Bush was re-elected despite lying about a war that has killed thousands. Gay people's oppression is the result of their sex lives, so it's not surprising that they are hypersensitive to anything that might add to the picture of deviance. But it has become obvious that the very effort to make all deviance disappear and to assimilate -- to marry, for example -- increases prejudice.

The Freepers, of course, took outrage over my column to dizzy heights, fabricating arguments I did not make. This began with the man who posted it, "madpro98." He said that I dismissed "all sexual conventions, including common decency, as so much homophobia." Actually, I wrote no such thing. Then, of course, the Freepers concluded that the case of LA Fitness means every gay man is a sauna whore. For example, "Sender" writes: "Does anyone else think it's strange that gay men often have sex in a public toilet stall? ... Even if we had unisex public restrooms, somehow I can't imagine a man and a woman eyeing one another while washing their hands, then just jumping in the stall for a go."

The writer obviously has never been to Buckhead on a Saturday night. But what cracks me up is that the Freepers are so anxious to bash someone like me that they don't even realize when they are supporting a contrary argument. For example, "buffyt" quoted my statement that I don't like "stumbling upon any sex scene to which I have not been invited." Then she riffed obsessively about heterosexual couples at Mardi Gras "coupling all over the place" while the police ignore them. Exactly. Heterosexuals spoil the view with public sexual interactions every bit as much as homosexuals, arguably more, when they can find a place to do it. Nobody followed up on that post, of course.

I'm not going to quote the mind-boggling illogics and endless sophomoric fag-bashing (despite arguing they aren't homophobic). But I will thank "Jack Black," who wrote: "I think this was very well written. He is writing for the audience of radical homosexuals as one, so I have trouble twisting my thoughts enough to get to his point of view, but I still think the writing is good." Kiss me, dude!

Cliff Bostock holds a Ph.D. in depth psychology. Write him at cliff.bostock@ creativeloafing.com.


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To: Aarchaeus
It is not intellectual ability thet the left-wing lunatic fringe types lack, it is common sense and wisdom.

As said in Romans 1:22 ---- Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.

Hey - read my tagline!

441 posted on 01/14/2005 1:05:27 PM PST by Zhangliqun (What are intellectuals for but to complexify the obvious?)
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To: AQGeiger
Dang...where'd he go?


442 posted on 01/14/2005 1:05:38 PM PST by Hi Heels (Proud to be a Pajamarazzi-Leef lang de Katjes van Viking)
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To: RebelBanker; AQGeiger

Welcome.
AQG made the eyeball and called us in.

Wish teh troll had stuck around, there's plenty more taunting to go around.
*chuckle*


443 posted on 01/14/2005 1:07:37 PM PST by Darksheare (Tales from the Freeper Foxhole presents: Darksheare's Coffee vs Midnight Troll)
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To: madprof98
Bostock is actually a pretty good writer. I manage to read Creative Loafing every now and then (usually whilst eating Japanese food on Thursday nights at my favorite sushi bar.) When Cliff forgets that he is a raging poofter and writes about some topic that doesn't involve his confusion over what constitutes a sex organ, he can come up with something that is interesting to read.

BTW, the Ansley Mall fitness center he is talking about is one of the more 'gay' parts of Atlanta, in that there are several gay bars and book stores in the same mall area (actually, just behind it.) There are also a couple of great Thai restaurants there as well. I used to shop at the Kroger there until the one on Peachtree opened.

Regarding Bostock's predictable stance on 'gay' marriage, etc., he is pretty well a lost cause in that regard, They have all convinced themselves that they are fighting for their 'civil rights', and have already gone past any point wherein they might consider their 'lifestyles' as aberrant, deviant, or unnatural. All they are asking is that we take an institution (marriage) that evolved over thousands of years to provide the best environment for raising children (and therefore continuing the species), and restructure it to accommodate their fetishes (which they do not see as fetishes.)
444 posted on 01/14/2005 1:09:28 PM PST by spodefly (This message packaged with desiccant. Do not open until ready for use or inspection.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Looks like good old fashioned California quackery.


445 posted on 01/14/2005 1:11:33 PM PST by Huck (I only type LOL when I'm really LOL.)
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To: AQGeiger

He got erased.


446 posted on 01/14/2005 1:12:42 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Tomorrow is the 51st anniversary of my BIRTHDAY. January 15, 1954.)
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To: munchtipq
Thank you. I wish you could have a talk with my liberal boyfriend regarding my FReeping habits. His views are about identical to yours, but he's under the impression that FreeRepublic is full of bloodthirsty "let's send all liberals to Abu Gharaib and exterminate 'em" psychos. I find the discourse on FreeRepublic to be very polite. There are exceptions, and there are some ideas I don't agree with that many Freeper cherish, but like you I try to not to go stirring hornet's nests.

I do think that the very high average age of the FReeper influences the quality of the discourse more than anything else, though. Average age here probably is late 40s. By that age, you're no longer into pot as much and you generally just aren't as passionate/emotional. Not that Freepers aren't passionate, but you know what I mean?
447 posted on 01/14/2005 1:12:42 PM PST by Nataku X (You've heard, "Be more like Jesus." But have you ever heard, "Be more like Mohammad"?)
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To: RebelBanker
maybe it has something to do with sex in the sauna?

"Hey, can I check your depth? I have a PhD!"

448 posted on 01/14/2005 1:13:28 PM PST by puppets
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To: trisham; Goodgirlinred

I believe that this is the Jack Black that he was referring to (the FReeper):

http://freerepublic.com/~jackblack/index?U=http%3A%2F%2Ffreerepublic.com%2Ffocus%2Ff-news%2F1320791%2Freplies%3Fc%3D303


449 posted on 01/14/2005 1:14:23 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: madprof98

ping for later


450 posted on 01/14/2005 1:16:00 PM PST by hunter112 (Total victory, both in the USA and the Middle East!)
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To: AQGeiger
I Blog BooksI spent a few minutes researching the Pacifica Graduate Institute, seeing as I had never heard of it.

Yes, so did I. The degree in depth psychology involves studies in alchemy, mythology and spiritual mysticism (which I short-handed as "palmistry"). The eco-psychology course is part of the MA/PhD depth psychology course-work at UPacifica.

...moon-battery is obviously another requirement...
451 posted on 01/14/2005 1:16:00 PM PST by dr_pat (it's only sarcasm if you don't read too carefully...)
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To: Darksheare
Though, just for kicks, I'd wander into New Paltz and ask to marry my computer.

Yes, and when they refused, you could get all liberal-hysterical and accuse them of being fascists.

452 posted on 01/14/2005 1:22:54 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: AQGeiger; ExPatBack
Bye, ExPatBack!

He's dead, Jim!


453 posted on 01/14/2005 1:23:29 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Yardstick

LOL!
Yup, only following the set script they use.
*chuckle*

"But, but.. I LOVE my computer! She brings me warmth, happiness, and comfort!"


454 posted on 01/14/2005 1:24:32 PM PST by Darksheare (Tales from the Freeper Foxhole presents: Darksheare's Coffee vs Midnight Troll)
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To: kidd
Birchers and KKK types are routinely ridiculed and booted out of here. Goldberg and Drudge left to form websites for profit and the Free Republic was viewed as a friendly competitor.

There is no reason to actually visit the Drudge site once you know about FreeRepublic. Hundreds of other linked articles and every article that you will find on Drudge will be found here with the added benefits of commentary and without the annoying pop ups that Drudge has.

Drudge dropped his FreeRepublic link because it is a very dumb business move to advertise a product that is much better than (and which can replace) your own product.

This writer's screed is basically nothing more than anyone here babbling on and on that his writing is nothing more than reading ( insert the name of the most extremist and vile far-Left wing hate group here ).

His commentary is so over-the-top and hysterical that he essentially mocks himself.

455 posted on 01/14/2005 1:33:12 PM PST by Polybius
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To: AQGeiger
cliff bostock

tortured conservative waiting to come out of the closet

456 posted on 01/14/2005 1:36:11 PM PST by alrea (HELP WANTED. New Jersey Director of Homeland Defense; must be willing performer.)
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To: Zhangliqun

I think that guy is a few myths short of a Bulfinch's.


457 posted on 01/14/2005 1:37:01 PM PST by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: Darksheare
"But, but.. I LOVE my computer! She brings me warmth, happiness, and comfort!"

You could really scramble their minds by saying "HE brings me warmth and happiness". They'd be so conflicted their heads would twist off.

458 posted on 01/14/2005 1:42:45 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick

LOL!

I think their skulls would explode from the stresses involved.
The conflict within would erupt molten mind goo out the tops of their heads.


459 posted on 01/14/2005 1:45:41 PM PST by Darksheare (Tales from the Freeper Foxhole presents: Darksheare's Coffee vs Midnight Troll)
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To: Polybius
Drudge dropped his FreeRepublic link because it is a very dumb business move to advertise a product that is much better than (and which can replace) your own product.

That's a good point. In terms of news, FR is the ultimate in one-stop shopping.

Drudge is kind of a specialty shop that specializes in ultrafresh news. But if it's a significant item, it'll be on FR within a few minutes -- with the benefit of freeper commentary.

This writer's screed is basically nothing more than anyone here babbling on and on that his writing is nothing more than reading ( insert the name of the most extremist and vile far-Left wing hate group here ).

Exactly. If you've seen one of these screeds, you've about seen them all. The only time they're interesting is when they have an element of truth to them and make me uncomfortable. When there's no truth, my eyes glaze over. They just bounce off.

460 posted on 01/14/2005 1:53:24 PM PST by Yardstick
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