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The American Prowler ^ | 1/14/2005 | The Prowler

Posted on 01/14/2005 12:27:29 AM PST by nickcarraway

WEBB HUMBLE

It appears that the race for DNC chairman may be winnowing down to two or three candidates, with a number of elected officials urging former Denver Mayor Wellington Webb to press his candidacy harder. Webb's supporters have let it be known that everyone from Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton to Govs. Bill Richardson and Mark Warner has been speaking with Webb about the DNC election, and promising their support over Howard Dean and New Democrat Simon Rosenberg.

Dean is thought by some DNC insiders to have an inside track for the chairmanship, though Rosenberg has been gaining a lot of support from the moderate wing. Joe Trippi, formerly a top Dean strategist, threw his support behind Rosenberg recently.

Webb, though, has been steadily getting good press, and appears to be lining up national backing. Almost every national Democrat who has presidential aspirations in 2008 appears to have at least reached out to Webb in a public way.

Someone whose campaign for DNC chair appears to be foundering, Donnie Fowler has been writing an occasional blog about his campaign. Instead of reaching out to the moderate and conservative wing of the party, he has been playing to the Michael Moore wing. One snippet of his blog is all you need to get a sense of where the 37-year-old Donnie is coming from:

"To begin with, you should know that a 37 year old chair is not unprecedented. Ken Mehlman, the new Republican national chair is 38. And don't forget about Lee 'Willie Horton' Atwater who served Bush the First. He was 37 when he put on the brown shirt in 1989…."

In view of such sophistication, it isn't a surprise that some folks are hoping current party chair Terry McAuliffe will stay on for a few more months.


THE CASEY AGAINST SANTORUM

Senate Democrats are already getting nervous about the 2006 election cycle, and new Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee Chairman Sen. Chuck Schumer appears to be doing all he can to woo candidates, given the come-hither, slightly scary look he presents on the DSCC website.

Already the DSCC is scrambling for backup candidates in Maryland and West Virginia, should Sens. Paul Sarbanes and Bobby Byrd announce retirement plans. As for other incumbents, Republicans have already targeted Minnesota's Sen. Mark Dayton. Dayton has been experiencing fundraising problems, and recently shook up his campaign structure, bringing in Bob Shrum and outside professional fundraisers to right his listing ship.

But doubts about their own side of the aisle haven't kept minority leader Harry Reid and Schumer from dreaming big. With a likely open seat in Tennessee (the expected retirement of self-term-limited Sen. Bill Frist) and potentially competitive races in Rhode Island and Pennsylvania, Republicans may have to defend more of the national map next time out than they anticipated.

And Schumer isn't making things easy for them. Earlier this week, polling data purportedly paid for by the DSCC began popping up on various Democratic-leaning websites. It showed that the current Pennsylvania state treasurer, Bob Casey, Jr., led Sen. Rick Santorum 52 to 38 in a poll of likely voters. The leaking of the polling data came coincidentally less than a week after both Schumer and Reid had begun courting Casey to run against Santorum. Casey, a pro-life Democrat, and son of the legendary Pennsylvania Gov. Bob Casey, is said by associates in Pennsylvania to have warmed to the idea, but only if Schumer and Reid could assure him that the Democratic primary field would be cleared for him.

"He asked about it and Schumer guaranteed him a clear field," says a political consultant with ties to the DSCC. "That polling data, wherever it came from, is probably the first step toward getting Casey in line, and running off a few folks with eyes on running against Santorum"

Santorum was already girding for a bruising re-election battle, having been targeted by Democrats as Enemy No.1 in this election cycle, and Casey would make the campaign a tough one. "He's right on the issues that Catholics in Pennsylvania vote on, and moderate enough to get strong Democratic support," says the consultant. "He scares the hell out of Santorum's people."


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1 posted on 01/14/2005 12:27:31 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Casey will crush Santorum - taking both cities and central Pa. The Caseys are local Kennedys to the Scranton-Wilkes Barre area. Santorum didn't help himself by knifing Toomey in the back during last year's GOP primaries in order to kiss up to the Spectre (int. misspelled) RINO block.


2 posted on 01/14/2005 12:34:57 AM PST by peyton randolph (CAIR supports TROP terrorists)
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To: peyton randolph
Um hardly. Casey will not survive a Democrat primary. See what happened to him in 2002 when he ran in the Dem primary for Governor...he was crushed....and that was just when he ran for governor. NARAL et al pulled out all the stops. Imagine what will happen when he tries to run for Senator (A Senator Casey would clearly vote to confirm all of President Bush's judicial nominees and would be a huge spokesman for the pro life cause, something the Democrats don't want...it's ok if you are pro life but you can't be adamant about it).........Casey will be defeated in the Dem primary, mark my words. You will see Casey touted in the conservative press because they loved his father and love, love, love strongly prolife dems, but don't expect much to come from it.

Someone on kos linked to this blog that's already started up.

www.stopcasey.blogspot.com

3 posted on 01/14/2005 1:12:53 AM PST by watsonfellow
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To: peyton randolph

Furthermore, Pat Casey ran for Congress in 2000 and lost in a very good year for the dems in PA........I believe he ran in the Scranton-Wilkes Barre area, so not quite the stuff of getting elected...eh? I realize that you want in some weird way to see Santorum defeated (which is odd considering Bush gave Specter alot more help than Santorum did) but it aint gonna happen.


4 posted on 01/14/2005 1:14:17 AM PST by watsonfellow
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To: watsonfellow

That is why Casey is conditioning a run on the party making sure he is unopposed in the Dimwit primaries. He can win the general election if he gets past the primaries without pro-abort opposition. As much as the Dimwits hate pro-lifers, they'd love to pick up another Senate seat. There aren't any other viable candidates that can carry the Commonwealth for the Dimwits.


5 posted on 01/14/2005 1:22:15 AM PST by peyton randolph (CAIR supports TROP terrorists)
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To: peyton randolph
Um that's just the problem......Harry Reid and Chuck Schumer can't "clear the field" this isn't England where the central party controls every constituency. The Democrat party in Penn is pretty pro abortion, especially the activists. Seriously, study what they did to Casey in 2002. NARAL got over twenty thousand Republican women to change their registration to vote against Casey. What with retirements on the supreme court, I doubt very much NARAL etc will roll over just so Chuck Schumer can get his man in. Casey will not survive a Dem primary because the abortion activisits in Penn, who control the party to a good degree, will not let him get it. Not because he is pro-life, but because the life issue is one of his top issues. They know that if he got elected, he would become the go to guy on all pro life legislation, he would give speeches, use the media etc and make the pro choice Dems look like extremists. Believe me, Casey won't win the primary.

And if he does, which he won't, I think you overestimate his support in the general. The key to winning as a Democrat in Penn (since the mid nineties) is to get the inner cities to vote heavily for you (which Casey won't be able to as he is not very well connected in that regard, see the primary in 2002) and to get moderate republican women in the suburbs to vote for you. Since, as odd as this is, Casey talks more about the life issue than Santorum, I doubt moderate republican women who only vote dem for the abortion issue would vote for Casey. Plus if Casey did get the nod, then Specter's machine would come out in full force for Santorum. Seriously, Casey is wildly overestimated! I like him too, but let's face facts.

6 posted on 01/14/2005 1:29:56 AM PST by watsonfellow
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To: peyton randolph

Also the idea that social conservatives and rural conservatives would come out and vote for Dems is also not accurate. Bob's brother Pat ran in 2000 in a very socially conservative/rural area, and despite being from this "golden" family, despite his strong pro life stance and a ton of money from the party, he lost to a rather lackluster underfunded Republican, meanwhile Gore carried the state!


7 posted on 01/14/2005 1:32:16 AM PST by watsonfellow
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To: peyton randolph
Moderate republican women in Penn... hate hate hate the Casey family.....The casey's are exact opposites to them...big spending, labour union loving, no exception pro lifers. I don't think the Democrat base would get very excited about his candidacy. Furthermore, abortion and the Supreme Court will be in the news alot these two years...the Dems will (contra their current discussion about it) revert to their "Save Roe at all costs" mantra...now how likely is it that they would nominate a man whose father tried to get Roe v Wade overturned. Remember it's not Roe v. Wade that's the law of the land, but something v. Casey!

Believe me, he won't get the dem nod.

8 posted on 01/14/2005 1:35:59 AM PST by watsonfellow
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To: nickcarraway
Donnie Fowler's Blog - changetheparty.com

Hey Donnie - tell yr. ol' man h9k sez h3llO!

9 posted on 01/14/2005 2:08:29 AM PST by HAL9000 (Spreading terrorist beheading propaganda videos is an Act of Treason!)
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To: Clintonfatigued; AuH2ORepublican; JohnnyZ; fieldmarshaldj

A possible Casey vs. Santorum is brewing.


10 posted on 01/14/2005 4:37:12 AM PST by Kuksool (Voter Fraud has been perfected in Seattle)
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To: peyton randolph

[Dimwits hate pro-lifers, they'd love to pick up another Senate seat.]

The RATS would much rather lose elections than allow pro-lifers gain influence in the party. In 2000, the RATS had a chance to gain 2 more Senate seats by suppporting pro-life RATS. However they gave little support to the pro-life RATS challenging Lincoln Chafee and Rick Santorum.


11 posted on 01/14/2005 4:41:23 AM PST by Kuksool (Voter Fraud has been perfected in Seattle)
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To: peyton randolph
Pro-life Dems. cannot raise funds in a federal election. This was the problem Ron Klink ran into when he ran against Santorum the last time. He was pro-life, and not a gun control Nazi, and yet pro-union, and complained that he couldn't raise any money in a "winnable" race.

Groups like Emily's List and NARAL control the purse strings to a large extent.

Casey is no multi-millionaire (i.e., Dayton, Corzine, Cantwell the last time around, not now) who can self-fund and with many national races to fund, I doubt Schumer can afford to put the lion's share of DSSC money behind Casey.

And can you imagine what the "heart and soul" of the Democratic Party, i.e., Moveon, would say about a vehemently pro-life candidate? I doubt Casey could expect the "small checks" of the Moveon type Democrat either.

12 posted on 01/14/2005 6:39:39 AM PST by HateBill (Democratic Message: "Kiss Terrorist A*s" vs. Republican Message: "Kick Terrorist A*s")
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To: HateBill
I doubt Casey could expect the "small checks" of the Moveon type Democrat either.

The key is Fast Eddie Rendell (also a former DNC chair). He can deliver Philly for Casey if he wants to do so. I suspect that Schumer is tied into the same gambling interests as Gov. Rendell...they can be very persuasive, i.e. make Rendell an offer he can't refuse.

13 posted on 01/14/2005 6:50:46 AM PST by peyton randolph (CAIR supports TROP terrorists)
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To: peyton randolph; Kuksool; fieldmarshaldj; JohnnyZ; Clintonfatigued

"Casey will crush Santorum - taking both cities and central Pa."



In 2000, the Democrats ran Congressman Ronald Klink, a pro-life, pro-gun, economically liberal Democrat from Western PA against Santorum. Santorum beat him handily in spite of Gore carrying the state. I don't think Bob Casey, Jr., a pro-life, pro-gun, economically liberal Democrat from Scranton, will be able to do much better in 2006. Even if Rendell's reelection run helps get out the vote in Philly and its suburbs, Rendellicans and other RINOs will vote for Santorum, since at least they agree with him on economic issues, while they do not agree with Casey on *any* issues.

I looked it up, and Casey's father never ran well in the Philly suburbs. In his first gubernatorial bid in 1986 (against William Scranton III), Casey, Sr. won statewide with 50.69% of the vote, but his percentages in the Philly suburbs were pitiful: 39.59% in Bucks County, 39.50% in Delaware County and 33.69% in Montgomery County (source: http://wilkes1.wilkes.edu/~wesp1/gov/PaGov1986.html ). And in his reelection bid in 1990, Casey, Sr. beat then-Republican Barbara Hafer with a whopping 67.65% of the vote, yet his percentages in the Philly suburbs were much lower: 58.58% in Bucks, 54.82% in Delco and 49.84% in Montco (source: http://wilkes1.wilkes.edu/~wesp1/gov/PaGov1990.html ).


14 posted on 01/14/2005 9:39:49 AM PST by AuH2ORepublican (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: watsonfellow

The Scranton/WB congressional district was held by a Repub for 26 years (Joe McDade) and had since spread to the more conservative rural counties. Even so Pat lost by under 500 votes (+/-). They have since switched districts to give the Dems a shot someday. (Not in 2006)


15 posted on 01/14/2005 9:40:44 AM PST by xcullen (DC Conservative)
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To: AuH2ORepublican
In 2000, the Democrats ran Congressman Ronald Klink, a pro-life, pro-gun, economically liberal Democrat from Western PA against Santorum. Santorum beat him handily in spite of Gore carrying the state. I don't think Bob Casey, Jr., a pro-life, pro-gun, economically liberal Democrat from Scranton, will be able to do much better in 2006.

Ron Klink's old man was not governor of the state. Ain't quite the same.

16 posted on 01/14/2005 10:20:47 AM PST by JohnnyZ ("Thought I was having trouble with my adding. It's all right now." - Clint Eastwood)
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To: JohnnyZ; Kuksool; FrankWild; AuH2ORepublican; Impy; Clintonfatigued

Two words, folks, "Barbara Hafer." Hafer has been focused like a laser beam on challenging Santorum ever since she switched effortlessly from sore-loser RINO to 'Rat. No way in hell is this pro-aborter going to get out of the way for the son of the man who thumped her in the 1990 Governor's race. Not to say Casey has no chance of winning the primary, but Hafer being the sore loser that she always is, if Casey prevailed, he'd be so badly bloodied, it would be tough for him to recover for the general. Of course, a big problem for Santorum, as pointed out, was a lot of residual anger for supporting the soon-to-be-late Sen. Specter, and he might have many sitting out the election as a result (enough to tip the balance in a close race). In any event, it's better for us for the Casey-Hafer primary showdown to occur. Let's not forget, too, about the potential marquee PA Gubernatorial election next year (another big question, which race will suck the air out of the other one ?).


17 posted on 01/14/2005 10:47:49 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (*Gregoire is French for Stealing an Election*)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

"Let's not forget, too, about the potential marquee PA Gubernatorial election next year (another big question, which race will suck the air out of the other one ?)."



If Pat Toomey runs for Governor, I don't think very many conservatives will be staying home even if they are upset at Santorum. And once they're at the ballot box, they will vote for Santorum over either the union lackey Casey or the abortion-loving Hafer.

But if Toomey doesn't run, Santorum will have to make sure that he motivates conservatives to turn out for him like he did in 1994 and 2000. Maybe if Lynn Swann runs for the GOP it might help Santorum a bit, but other than Toomey no other GOP candidate can make conservatives walk barefoot on broken glass to go and vote.


18 posted on 01/14/2005 10:53:51 AM PST by AuH2ORepublican (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: watsonfellow
Believe me, he won't get the dem nod.

He might, if Schumer clears the field for him...

19 posted on 01/14/2005 11:06:27 AM PST by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: AuH2ORepublican; JohnnyZ; Clintonfatigued; Kuksool

Has Toomey even voiced any interest in running for Governor ? I know my jaw dropped when I saw Bill Scranton, III, voiced an interest. He served as Dick Thornburgh's Lieutenant Governor and ran a disastrous campaign that was his to lose way back in '86 (of course, having Carville as Bob Casey, Sr's campaign manager helped sack Scranton). After 20 years out of the public eye, I would think he'd be a dreadful candidate. I know little about State Sen. Jeff Piccola or the two other lesser-known candidates, all of whom I'd presume would be at a disadvantage against Fast Eddie. How Conservative is Lynn Swann ? I think he'd be a very intriguing candidate. Imagine come January 2007 that both Ohio and Pennsylvania have 2 African-American Republican Governors ! :-)


20 posted on 01/14/2005 11:44:44 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (*Gregoire is French for Stealing an Election*)
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