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DNA database Big Brother warning (Fourth Reich style)
BBC ^ | Wednesday, 12 January, 2005

Posted on 01/13/2005 2:55:20 PM PST by jb6

Ministers are facing a call to act to safeguard people's privacy against Big Brother-style intrusion from the police's national DNA database. GeneWatch UK said both communist and fascist governments in Europe had used personal records to oppress people.

Changes could be made to safeguard privacy without compromising the use of DNA in fighting crime, its report said.

The Home Office said measures were in place to restrict use of the database to crime probes and prosecutions.

But GeneWatch argued the database creates a permanent list of "suspects" which includes anyone arrested for a recordable offence even if they are never charged.

Independent body call

The organisation urged the creation of an independent body to oversee the database.

And it called for people's DNA samples to be destroyed on completion of an investigation.

Expanding the database to include the whole population would give the potential to create a "future police state".

Spokeswoman Dr Helen Wallace said: "Controls on the database must be tightened to prevent a Big Brother state.

Important changes?

"Within living memory, both fascist and communist governments in Europe have used personal records as a means of oppressing different populations.

"There are important changes that can be made to safeguard privacy and rights without compromising the use of DNA in fighting crime."

A Home Office spokeswoman said careful consideration would be given to GeneWatch's report but there were no plans to introduce a universal DNA database or widen access for commercial reasons.

She added: "The national DNA database has proved to be an extremely effective tool in the fight against crime."

Legal scrutiny had already been given to rules that allowed the retention of DNA samples and profiles to be taken from people who had been arrested but not convicted, she added.

GeneWatch UK describes itself as "a not-for-profit group that monitors developments in genetic technologies from a public interest, environmental protection and animal welfare perspective".


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: allpowerfull; bigbrother; control; dna; eu; fascism; fourthreich; government; privacy

1 posted on 01/13/2005 2:55:22 PM PST by jb6
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To: jb6
Well, they do have that here in the U.S., except it's only for criminals, so far.

Combined DNA Index System (CODIS)

2 posted on 01/13/2005 2:59:06 PM PST by armed_and_ready
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To: jb6

"future police state".
a Big Brother state.

It's coming.............


3 posted on 01/13/2005 3:03:29 PM PST by buffyt (~ Happy 2005! ~)
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To: jb6
The argument against DNA is a classic liberal, help-the-crooks argument. The libs throw in the "abuse of citizens" argument to trick some conservatives into buying the gig, if they will. Any while we're at it, shouldn't we forbid the retention of photographs of those who are arrested? Those lead to convictions too. And what about the names of people arrested. Ditch those too. It's all the same logic, and it's wrong, Wrong, WRONG.

Congressman Billybob

4 posted on 01/13/2005 3:17:02 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Well in Europe those implementing this are the liberals, the socialists and all their ilk. Doesn't fit.


5 posted on 01/13/2005 3:22:06 PM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: Congressman Billybob

How about a national biometric database for identification purposes? Does everyone support that kind of thing?


6 posted on 01/13/2005 3:30:46 PM PST by RMprog
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To: Congressman Billybob

It never ceases to amaze how civil libertarians will invent paranoid conspiracy theories to screw with law enforcement.

Ahmed thanks them.


7 posted on 01/13/2005 3:34:47 PM PST by misterrob
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To: Congressman Billybob
OH, BULLSHIT!That's what I say when I see a big pile of the smelly stuff. Now ,often I agree with you but NOT in your apparent endorsement of a police state.

Lazy or frustrated police in several crimes have attempted to coerce all the men or all the population of a town into providing DNA ,using the tired and false argument "if you have nothing to hide why would you object?"

How about because I say it is my RIGHT not to,and I object to proving my innocence as opposed to the State proving my guilt. Fundamental principles of freedom are at stake here; and I doubt the American Revolution against tyranny was fought so people could be treated like slaves.

A national database of everyone's fingerprints,DNA,photograph,address,buying habits,eating habits,vehicles,and preferred forms of entertainment is JUST what we need to stop crime.

Why, all the police will need is a little crime scene DNA ,pop it into the computer and WHIZZO-out pops the perp's name and where and when to pick him up.

A policeman's dream, yes?

Or a NIGHTMARE for a formerly free people.

8 posted on 01/13/2005 3:38:00 PM PST by hoosierham
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To: Congressman Billybob
The argument against DNA is a classic liberal, help-the-crooks argument.

You need to be RECALLED! Blackbird.

9 posted on 01/13/2005 3:56:56 PM PST by BlackbirdSST
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To: BlackbirdSST

More silly left-wing alarmist stuff in a world teeming with terroists and authored by the old reliable UK sensationalist Euro-trash hacks. Why do we bother with stuff like this?


10 posted on 01/13/2005 10:15:30 PM PST by CBart95
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