Posted on 01/13/2005 8:00:33 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
Gay activists and their supporters often say, "Why would someone choose to be gay?" But why would someone want to change political parties? Why would someone want to change their religion? Maybe it's just what they feel like they need to do, or be.
Gay activists and their supporters often resort to using this phrase or one similar to it. They state: Why would someone choose to be gay in a world where they will face grief and opposition over their sexual orientation?
To which I respond: Why would a Muslim choose to convert to Christianity in a region of the world like Sudan or Iran where they will face grief, opposition, persecution, or even death over their religious orientation?
As well, why would someone choose to change their political orientation, to say Republican, in a family which is strictly union Democrat, and which has voted exclusively Democrat for generations, when they will face grief and opposition over their political orientation?
Now, some may respond that you cannot compare sexual orientation with political or religious orientation, since one makes the choice to convert from one religion or political orientation to another, and that one doesn't choose to be gay, that they are "born that way."
Gays aren't "born that way", though.
Numerous scientific studies, posted at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1300464/posts, show these things:
1.) Environment plays a strong role in homosexuality developing. Almost all of the experts who have done some type of study on homosexuality say that homosexuality cannot be explained apart from reference to environmental factors.
2.) There is a strong prevalance of same-sex sexual abuse in the childhoods of homosexuals.
3.) Many homosexuals themselves link their homosexuality to their sexual victimization experiences.
4.) Gender Identity Disorder, gender confusion and other environmental factors have been shown to play a role in homosexuality developing in some individuals.
5.) There is no "gay gene." Identical-Twin studies, as well as other studies, have smashed this possibility.
6.) Personal choice, to some degree, is involved in all behaviors, sexual or otherwise. Even some lesbians agree with this. Genetic or environmental factors are never overwhelming.
So, you can see that the argument of "Why would someone choose to be gay in a world where they will face grief and opposition over their sexual orientation", doesn't hold water, and neither does the lie of gays being "born that way."
Why would they choose to be that way ?
For men, an excessive fixation on sex. Quick, anonymous sex is readily available from like minded men. It is not readily available from women.
For women, a fear or hatred of men. Women who were not properly appreciated as women, women who were disdained or hurt by men, women who need to dominate to assuage their egos, etc.
I believe the correct answer is that these men are weak, both physically and mentally, thus easily broken.
They have been given the choice to be a punk or a punching bag and a punk.
They choose the former.
Also, the majority who are in prison are genetically screwed up in the head.
I'll buy psychologically screwed up, but I don't think there is any clinical evidence to support your hypothesis.
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Studies show some people may have genetic disposition towards a same sex attraction, just as some are genetically disposed towards alcoholism. But being genetically disposed towards one thing or another does not mean you are fated to that end. Participation in the activity is still a matter of choice.
"Subject: alt.lefthanders Frequently Asked Questions"
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Yet another reason to be a nerd.
Heterosexuality is the default position. Homosexuality is an anomaly.
No one chooses to be "heterosexual" just as no one chooses to be a man or a woman.
There is No credible Scientific evidence that anyone ever
was 'born " that way.homosexual behavior was-is-and will always be an abomnible lifestyle choice worthy of death
and ought not be encouraged nor embraced. As Paul noted
those who take pleasure in such knowing the judgement of God are just as wicked as the sons of Belial .
So they haven't found a gene. Neat, thanks.
`` I'll buy psychologically screwed up, but I don't think there is any clinical evidence to support your hypothesis.``
Actually there is. A large majority of prisoners have been clinically proven to have varying degrees of mental illness and retardation and way below normal IQs (below what is considered normal for someone with no education).
Exactly, that is why there are so many high schools teens here in Ann Arbor, kissing each other, girl-girl, guy-guy in the hallway, it is a fad, a trend, and goes on at the more liberal schools. It seems to be cool now to be gay, bi-sexual, ect, it is pushing the envelope.
This comes from our dominate leftist communication culture, and education.
The dress up anal sex in flowery civil rights language, and pull on the idealism of children, and weak parents.
For it is only parents that can stop this.
That only explains why a male would be the submissive in prison it does not explain the agressor choosing to homosexual behavior. Some of the more "liberal" studies have estimated the homosexual behavior in prison to be as high as 70% of the population, but those numbers are suspect up or down because the prisons do not allow access for comprehensive studies and the estimate studies are done by law groups which have other agendas. (ie establishing cruel and unusual punishment)
Nor does it explain the return to normal sex outside the prison by both men and women ex-cons.
And the ones I know just want to live their lives quietly.
You feel a heterosexual could choose to be gay?
I think I lack that amount of empathy.
As in "out of the closet" out?
Yeah...but are sure you meant to announce you were "out" on this thread?
;)
Not to mention that the tribe would be dressed more smartly and have better home designs than a tribe without "homosexual members".
Seriously, there is a continuum of sexual orientation, straight guys grow up with homosexual experiences during the teen years. Married men decide that they are "living a lie" and join the homosexual base after years of marriage. (Maybe some of those "genes" are transmitted this way. Obviously if there is a gene it has not died out.)
The brain has more non nerve cells than nerve cells. These cells were thought not to have anything to do with mental processes, but now are being studied because without these cells the body dies. Likewise, DNA has many coded sections without the ability to encode RNA. Thus thought to be inactive they have since been found to express development through processes that don't use RNA. Thus there are many more places to look for a homosexual gene. The truth is that there is a natural tendency and a learned tendency, and both are at play in deciding one's sexual orientation.
For some, a helpful homosexual at the right age is the deciding factor, hence the "predatory" label given to some homosexual behavior at a certain age.
I have suspicions that little jeremiah has homosexual tendencies he has successfully repressed in order to avoid sin. I don't know if he has heterosexual impulses or not or if he is married.
I don't consider this an insult or a slur; he so strongly advocates for this course of life that I think he would be honored to have his own self-control and sacrifice respected.
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